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Thinking about going to a specialist
06/16/13 at 11:34:00
 
Hello again!! So I'm in the preliminary thought process of seeing a mast cell specialist. I have had several email conversations with Dr. Afrin. He says that, from what I have told him, he suspects MCAS, and that autoimmune urticaria (which I have)  may soon fall under MCAS anyway. Apparently the asthma allergy immunology "foundation" (not really sure what it is) is going to be discussing this topic at their conference in September.
He told me that he would be willing to see me, but made it very clear that I would only be seeing him for a diagnosis, and that further treatment would have to be done with a local doctor willing to take advice from him. Sounds a little daunting, but maybe doable.
Yesterday I emailed Dr. Casells. My luck, she is out of the office for over 2 weeks. But I saw that she must have forwarded my email to have someone send me the mastocytosis "packet". So I'm not sure if she would be willing to see me or not. I have yet to receive the packet.
But my question is this. If I were able to get into Dr. Castells, would she be able to help me more than what Dr. Afrin says he can do? Or would it be the same protocol?
Thanks! Hope everyone is feeling well today!!
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Reply #1 - 06/16/13 at 14:06:00
 
If Dr. Afrin is saying that he is unwilling or unable to do follow-up with you, what would be the benefit of seeing him?  Are you thinking that Dr. Afrin would give the diagnosis and then Dr. Castells would take you as a patient? Are you thinking that if Dr. Afrin does not diagnose you, then Dr. Castells will not take you because you do not have an official diagnosis?  Is that your concern?
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Reply #2 - 06/16/13 at 15:24:00
 
No, my concern with going to see Dr. Afrin is being able to find a doctor here in Reno who will contact Dr. Afrin and take his suggestions for treatment plans.
My question with Dr. Castells, is, if she is willing to see me and I do get a confined diagnosis of MCAS, would she be able to treat me and prescribe medications etc. or would seeing her be the same as with Dr. Afrin, you get your diagnosis, and fend for yourself when you get home?
Basically I'm wondering if being a long distant patient, both doctors have the same protocol. As I said, Dr. Afrin told me he is willing to see me for a diagnosis only, and if I can find a doctor willing to work with him, he can guide them through email and phone calls. But as he said, it is very difficult to find a doctoring willing to take the time.
So my hope is that Dr. Castells runs differently than Dr.Afrin and would be able to treat me, or at least get the ball rolling if that makes any sense.
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Reply #3 - 06/16/13 at 16:52:01
 
I do not know how Dr. Castells works, but I would imagine that any doctor would want to do follow-up.  Are you willing to travel to either doctor for your follow-up care, or are you only able to visit long enough to get diagnosed, but you are unable to return to either one?

Can you return to Dr. Afrin for follow-up?

Maybe your primary care doctor could be the link.  Of all the different specialists I have seen, none wanted the task if communicating with Dr. Afrin except maybe a primary care doctor. So, I have ended up returning to Dr. Afrin.

Why did Dr. Afrin not want to take you as a patient on a routine basis? Is his practice full?
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Reply #4 - 06/16/13 at 16:59:23
 
The patients on this forum have reported that unless you are Dr. Afrin's local patient, he will not continue to be your doctor after your initial visit to him. He requires that you find a local doctor where you live and that the doctor contact him for advice. Supposedly he will not prescribe any medications or make suggestions to those who are not his local patients.

This is merely what we have seen mentioned on the forum. I have no direct contact with him, and thus cannot verify this or know if there are any exceptions to this rule.

There is a difference in going to see Dr. Castells over Dr. Afrin. Dr. Castells coined the term MCAS, and has been researching it far longer and is considered an authority on the subject (thus the reason that she and Dr. Akin run the only mast cell disease center in the world).
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Reply #5 - 06/16/13 at 18:31:56
 
Thanks Deborah!!! That's what I needed to hear! Do you know whether or not she will consider you her patient, even if it is thousands of miles away?
I'm so sorry to hear you're feeling so sick  Lips Sealed. I hope that you will wake up tomorrow feeling better. It really sucks when we get sick! We can't take anything!!! Grrrr......
Futurehope, I don't think it's that he doesn't want to take me on as a patient, it's just that the distance is vast. I live in Nevada, so going back and forth wouldn't be easy to do. Plus he didn't mention that as an option. Maybe he is full and can't take on new patients. I'm not really sure.
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Reply #6 - 06/17/13 at 01:39:54
 
What Deborah said is interesting to me.  I will be seeing him in about two weeks, and if I remember, I will ask if he is no longer accepting "long distance" patients?  I do have to get on an airplane to see him.  I'm in Baltimore and he's in Charleston, so I am definitely "long distance".

It does sound like Dr. Afrin has decided against taking out of town patients.  There must be a reason?  Maybe I'll find out. Maybe, they find it difficult to maintain the relationship, and he is uncomfortable with that?

Brigitte, I guess your best best is Dr. Castells.

P.S. I think we need to clarify what it means to say that Dr. Afrin will not prescribe medicines unless the patient is a local patient.

I spoke with the appointment line and they have no orders whatsoever about avoiding making appointments with Dr. Afrin if you are an "out of town" patient.  IOW, they still make appointments for out of town patients and new patients.

I am suspecting that Dr. Afrin wishes a patient of his who are out of town and who refuse to make long distance follow-up visits to have a local doctor who will follow them in their care.  In the event that you will not return for a follow-up, in that case only, he would want you to have a local doctor with whom he can communicate.  That makes sense.  If he cannot see you for follow-up, it would seem to me that you would be "out of his responsibility".

So, please do not make it sound like Dr. Afrin is not taking out of town patients who would like to be diagnosed.  The schedulers are not aware of anything like that and I did not want the people on this forum to think that.  What he is saying, if I understand you all correctly, is that if you plan on coming for an initial consult only, then you will need to find a local doctor that he can work with when suggesting meds or med changes.  It seems reasonable to me that he would want you have follow-up by someone available to you at all times.
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Reply #7 - 06/17/13 at 02:28:54
 
Actually you are both misinterpreting what I wrote. Smiley. Dr Afrin is known for seeing patients from anywhere. He is certainly taking patients, whether they are local or from far away. However, that is only for the times that you will go see him in person. He won't be your doctor from a distance like Castells and Akin will, as in patients report that he won't write them prescriptions or email suggestions back and forth with out of towners. That isn't to say he won't help them. He tells his out of towners that he will help them by advising their local doctor. They need to find a local doc to follow his suggestions and write the prescriptions, etc. Once again, this is hearsay only. I'm only reporting the info that we see on the forum. A few people have written that he does email back and forth with them, the patient, so that conflicts with the other reports.

Castells and Akin are a worldwide center and definitely take out of town patients. I have heard that Castells does telephone consultations if they can't see you quickly so that she can at least see if she can help you. I also hear that they have a ton of people wanting appointments, so I have no idea if those phone consults take longer to get now.

I also know that Castells and Akin will keep you on as their patient whether you are local or not. I don't know if they have set rules like Afrin that you shouldn't email them. On the forum we read the opposite and that they are very helpful with their long distance patients via email.

I do know firsthand that Akin always email me back if I email him a question (I am one of his long distance patients.). You might think he emails me back simply because I am this forum owner, but that had nothing to do with it. I was his patient long before I created the forum.

Now, how does it work for me to be long distance and his patient? He never insisted that I find a local doctor. It was MY idea that I get one because I thought it would be easier for him if I wasn't bugging him every time I needed a refill on my meds for my IA. He also told me that while he could do bloodwork testing, it would be cheaper if I just did it at home and had my doc send him the results. (This was when he was still at Univ it Michigan, so his ideas might have changed now that he has his own center.). He was always super quick to respond to an email question from me, and my local doc actually had no interest in learning about mast cell disease. So she was happy to follow whatever suggestion Akin had, and if I got sick with a normal illness, she preferred to have me (not her) email him to check on the antibiotic preferred, etc. I know that sounds weird, but it works for me because I don't have to battle any ego from a local doc who thinks she knows better than the expert. She totally believes in my mast cell disease but doesn't want to learn much about it herself. That is fine as long as I have Dr Akin to contact for emergency.

Now I rarely contact Dr Akin since I am so stable, but when something comes up unusual and I needs help (maybe once a year), I email him and still get an answer back from him. My goal is to be that long distance patient who only emails him when really needed. Then he knows I won't contact him to just bug him with trivial questions.

So that is my personal experience as a long distance patient with a Boston doc.
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Reply #8 - 06/17/13 at 04:25:41
 
Sounds like maybe Dr. Afrin has too big of a load to take on new long distance patients, which is understandable. But I certainly don't mean to make any negative comments about him. He has been very generous with his time in emailing me back, and I applaud and am thankful to any doctor who is willing to help us mast cell patients. I just haven't been able to find a doctor willing to do the follow up here Sad so its good to know that Dr. Castells will. Takes a burden off my back so that I can go forward with making an appointment.
Thank you so much ladies for responding to my questions!
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Reply #9 - 06/17/13 at 05:43:31
 
Actually from what I hear, all 3 of these doctors are overloaded with patients. They are all caring, though, and continue to take all the patients who fit their requirements, which is to have an indication of some form of mast cell disease.
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Reply #10 - 06/17/13 at 07:50:43
 
I'll keep my fingers crossed that I can get in Undecided
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Reply #11 - 06/17/13 at 10:40:59
 
FYI, as far as the scheduling office told me as of today, Dr. Afrin is seeing new patients.
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Reply #12 - 06/17/13 at 14:47:44
 
I faxed Dr Afrin a letter requesting to see him either solely as his patient or as consultant with periodic follow-ups. I included a medical time line from birth and all the labs my allergist did. About two weeks later I had an appointment which will be next week. I'm about 3-4hrs from him.
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Reply #13 - 06/17/13 at 15:03:59
 
That's wonderful davina!!! please keep me updated! And I wish you the best of luck at your appointment!  Wink
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Reply #14 - 06/19/13 at 18:27:34
 
I think Debbie said it best..these doctors are so overloaded with patients it's unreal.  Some days they are very available and some days/weeks they simply are not.  Dr. Castells runs her own lab and teaches as well.  Dr. Afrin has many commitments to the U of SC as well.  Unfortunately seeing patients is certainly not the only thing they have to do.

I am having quite severe brain fog right now so I hope this makes sense.  If it doesn't, please ask me specific questions. OK?  I will try and give you my opinion at least.

Since I see both Dr. Afrin and Dr. Castells on a regular basis (long story), I hope I am qualified to answer some questions.  So here goes.......

Dr. Afrin will take new patients and you can go back as often as you need to (if he gives you an MCAS diagnosis or if you continue to be very symptomatic and have proof you need to see him again)...but because we can react so severely to new medications and any and every thing else on the face of this earth, he feels it is ethically wrong to prescribe us medications because he can not moderate our condition.  He HAS to rely on physicians that will help us locally when we have immediate care needs.  He obviously can not examine us when we are so far away and we need an immediate assessment when we are in crisis or seriously ill.  He will see you and help you in any and every way he possibly can. For example, My local GI doctor felt I needed a colonoscopy.  I reacted severely to the prep and ended up in the hospital.  I had my GI doctor contact Dr. AFrin.   Dr. Afrin questioned why the procedure was being done in the first place (as did I) and basically told my GI doc that the risk of the procedure for me was too great for the condition my GI doc was concerned about.  I was grateful as I believe that anesthesia (even though not a general anesthesia) could have caused even more damage to my already fragile state than not having the procedure at all.  I was grateful for Dr. AFrin's explanation to my GI doc. Now, he is even MORE careful when treating me.  With all the "rejection" we experience, it's good to know someone really "gets it" and will give his support.

I feel Dr. Afrin has an excellent perception of what some of us (who are constantly reacting) deal with on a daily basis.  He is very aware of checking for dyes in meds, fillers, etc.  He may try different approaches and may not be the typical conventional doctor at times, but he always has your best interest at heart. He is very passionate about helping MCAS patients but he also feels very strongly that this disorder is epidemic and other doctors need to be aware that MCAS exists.....therefore he wants us to try and get someone locally to help us so he can share as much information as possible with them.  IMO he is a brilliant doctor.

Dr. Castells is amazing.  I was given an appointment with her after a local doctor referred me to Dr. Greenberger (who is a colleague of Dr. Castells) after a long hospital stay last year.  It was Dr. G who wanted me to see Dr. Castells right away.  I have seen her 3 times in the last 6 months and have another appointment in the fall.  Because I no longer can take ANY antibiotics, Dr. Castells main focus for me right now is to  find a way for me to be 'covered' before I get sick.  I spent 6 hours at the clinic last week.  She tested me for everything she could think (IgE) of and then did a penicillin "challenge".  I have no food allergies, passed the penicillin skin prick  but had a slight reaction to the "mini" sub-Q injection.  We talked at length about taking a tablet to see what would happen.  I knew I was in the best hands possible so I opted to take the challenge.  I asked if I could just take 1/4 of the tablet. She respected my request and we agreed to go ahead.  I made it through the first 18 minutes and then my vision got blurry and I passed out cold (yes, in the waiting room in front of everyone). Not only was my assigned nurse there in an instant, but Dr. Castells was also there and she also called the ER doc too.  She needed to see what kind of reaction I had so she could help me understand what to do.  (I know Dr. Afrin does these things with his local patients, but I do not believe he does with his distance patients....as we could have a delayed reaction while traveling home.)  After I recovered, she came in and talked to me, had me drink lots of water and I slept for a bit.  When I got up, she had me come to her office.  She spent almost an hour explaining what had happened, the difference between an anaphylatic reaction and what some call an anaphylactoid reaction.   She explained that my body wasn't "allergic" to penicillin, but it could not metabolize it properly. I possibly don't have the enzymes to break it down or they are defective so my body just shuts down.  Why is this important...because I don't need epi when I have this type of reaction!  Very critical information!

She sat and explained how and when to add new foods and told me just how much and how often I could "challenge" my body with new things.  She did add Ketotifen to my med regiment and did write the prescription.  My husband came into the followup consult with me and was blown away at her knowledge and advice.  It was an extremely productive visit.  I am to return and try the same thing with a pre-med protocol and see if I can tolerate the penicillin that way.  Then she will write an individualized protocol for me to have on file at the hospital (and one to carry with me) so I will hopefully never have to experience what I did last year again.

So....to  sum up, Dr Afrin will see you as often as you feel you need to see him but will not be responsible for any emergency care you may need when you are at home. He will work tirelessly with any physician on your behalf who is willing to seek his advice.  

Dr. Castells will see you as often as she feels you need to be seen and will write a prescription if there is something you need.  (You can request refills at Brigham via "My Chart" so that alleviates having to contact the physician and "bother them").  Smiley   She is more difficult to get an appointment with and in my experience if you do not return for her to "complete" what she feels you need to have done, you can very easily "fall through the cracks".  She must have several hundred patients so it's really important to follow her instructions to get the complete help you need.  Also, she CAN be contacted in an emergency.  Her staff has her cell no. at all times so if you are in trouble she can be contacted and she will answer!

I have personally emailed both of them, but like Debbie, only when absolutely necessary.  Once with Dr. Castells and she responded within a couple days.  Several times with Dr. Afrin and as many of you know, you usually get a responce within 24 hours...along with a LONG "lesson" of things we need to hear. Smiley  He prefers to email through a local doctor but will still help you if you haven't found a local doctor yet.

They are both great in their realm.  But as Deb said, "Dr. Castells is the expert".  And yet like Dr. Afrin, she will throw up her hands and say, "we just don't know that yet!!"   Wink

I like having both because I am a high risk cancer survivor and Dr. Afrin is an oncologist.....but Dr. Castells knows MCAS inside out and her research is amazing! (did you know she cloned a gene??) WOW!!  She also desensitizes cancer patients when they can't tolerate their chemo treatments!

Sorry for the long answer....but I hope it personalizes things and helps you made a well informed decision.  

If you have any questions I missed, please ask.  I wish you the best....and hope you will be able to see the best doctor for YOU.

Hugs, Lynda
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