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Re: Horrible visit with dr Afrin - help!
Reply #15 - 04/16/13 at 14:12:47
 
I'm not sure if I am posting in the right place as I haven't had much time to learn the ropes on this site. I was so grateful for all the support around my horrible visit with Dr Afrin. He has since kind of redeemed himself in a roundabout sort of way.But that is a story for another day.

 I mentioned last time that I was going to try and consult with a good immunologist in town and try to get Dr Afrin to consult with him despite dr Afrins dim view of the possibility of success . And dr Afrin did stay true to his word in a very limited way. We finally had all the testing going round and round trying to get the right tests and make sure everything was on ice and shipped ASAP to the right labs. The test results were read by Dr Afrin and he said if this were his patient he would definitely diagnose MCAS. But it was not his patient (he reiterated for the thousandth time) and he was not able to diagnose a pediatric patient , nor does he have any pediatric colleagues at MUSC that would work with him to diagnose her. That seems very telling to me that none of the drs at Musc will work with dr Afrin, but I'll say nothing!
 
OF COURSE,that was not enough for my immunologist. He said at this point that some drs acknowledge MCAS as a diagnosis, and some don't but that he was on the fence. GREAT! I wish he would have mentioned that before. ANYWAY, as a result, he wanted to start another whole round of testing and repeat the previous tests to rule out the other horrible things that could produce such elevated chromagranin levels. SO we did ALL that and had her poked and prodded some more. Same results this time while ruling out horrible tumors and cancers.
 
At this point, it seems he is finally coming around. He just can't understand why the levels would be so high if she doesn't have pheochromacytoma or carcinoid tumors. It seems we are almost on the verge of an MCAS conversion and diagnosis but he wants to talk to Dr Castells and see what she has to say since Dr Afrin won't commit to anything involving a pediatric diagnosis. He says if she backs up dr afrins diagnosis, he would be willing to concede that my daughter may have MCAS and therefore start a treatment protocol where she might be able to get some relief.  

So...... my immunoligist tells me last week that he has a scheduled conference with Dr Castells on Tues. I am so excited, I stalk his office dropping off copies of articles discussing the connection between elevated chromagranin levels and misbehaving mast cells. Then I wait.. and I wait...finally I call the office this week and he says that he has been calling Dr Castells repeatedly and that she is not getting back to him.
 So I don't know what else to do. I am appealing to all of you. Perhaps someone has an in with Dr Castells or some advice. We have come so far and jumped through so many hoops. We feel so close to getting a diagnosis. Whatever that really means. But that is also a conversation for another day (whether the diagnosis will really lead to any real solution) I would be so grateful for any thoughts. If I should start a new thread or post this somewhere else, please let me know. Thanks!!!!
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Re: Horrible visit with dr Afrin - help!
Reply #16 - 04/22/13 at 09:32:57
 
Hi meemshutchins,

I am sorry that you feel that you are not being treated fairly by Dr. Afrin.  I can't judge his behavior towards you for I was not present in any kind of personal interaction with you.  All I can say is that my personal interaction with Dr. Afrin has shown me that he is quite the opposite of what you are saying.  I've not seen him in person, however, but have had some extensive conversations with him through the internet.  Yet, I have also had similiar conversations with Dr. Akins, Dr. Castells and several of the other masto authorities both in the States as well as in Europe and I have found that although all of them are extremely busy doctors and have little time, they show me the very same consideration which Dr. Afrin has shown to me.  I have not found a single one of them to be rude.   Yes, they are cut and dried and that's because they are each extremely busy physicians and researchers with a heavy load to carry because they are also, the vast majority of them, university professors as well as on the boards of different societies or running their own research centers or laboratories.   If Dr. Afrin was indeed rude to you then you may have caught him on an off day, but even then, he may be responding to your own attitudes.   I have noticed that I will sometimes get a bad response from a doctor who doesn't know me and doesn't understand what I am seeking for and so I have to consider my own behavior as also what may trigger bad feedback.  

That being said, I have to say that you are expecting Dr. Afrin to step outside of his legal abilities to make a statement as to your daughter's situation.  He can not make any kind of judgement calls as to a pediatric patient.  I have spoken with him for another mother and he took the very same stand regarding that child.  This is not his area of specialty and can not make any kind of judgements since he is not specialised or trained to work with children.   What you are asking him to do goes against the laws and you are asking him to endanger his career and his ability to practice medicine.   This is just not right.  He does not have any pediatricians who are working with him and he can not work with these doctors unless they are willing to work with him and study with him about MCAS in children.   I spoke with Dr. Luis Escribano about MCAS in children and he told me that this is a very rare condition indeed!  It is seen in adults but in children they don't know how this form shows itself and to begin treating a child is a dangerous thing.   Children are not adults in miniature, their systems are much more delicate and finely tuned than that of adults and what you are asking of Dr. Afrin puts him at risk of not just a malpractice lawsuit but could possibly put him at risk of losing his right to practice medicine.  It is unfair of you to ask this of him and even rude on your part to not understand this and respect his stand on this.  This is why Dr. Castells is your ONLY choice for help for she does have pediatricians who can and do work with her.  Dr. Castells has what Dr. Afrin does not, a reference center.  This means that Dr. Afrin works alone while she does not.  Dr. Castells has a group of doctors who work together with her, Dr. Akin is her partner as well as Dr. Greenberger, a gastroenterologist.  She has also cardiologists, pediatricians as well as pathologists and various other specialists like biochemists, etc,  who are specialists in mast cell disorders and mast cell biology.  They are who are best equipped to take a good look at your daughter in the safety of a hospital environment.  


meemshutchins wrote on 04/16/13 at 14:12:47:
That seems very telling to me that none of the drs at Musc will work with dr Afrin, but I'll say nothing!


Now as to this last comment, this was not nice.  I don't often make such a strong statement and I did try to explain to you previously that you have asked too much of Dr. Afrin, but what you are saying here, and you did say something but in an implying manner, is that the drs at MUSC won't work with Dr. Afrin because of some underlying problem.  This is highly unfair for you are insinuating that there is something wrong when you have no basis for this remark.  You are obviously disappointed in that he didn't fulfill your expectations and for that reason you are angry with him.  The problem isn't his, however, for he has worked with many other patients and they have found him to be a very qualified physician.  He may have a personality you don't like but this is no excuse to insinuate things of this manner just because he refused to make a comment on a patient he is unqualified to treat.  If anything this shows the intergrity of a very capable doctor in refusing to treat a patient whom has no business treating.  If he had done something to help your daughter and it backfired you would be in front of the very first lawyer you could find trying to sue the shirt off of a very qualified doctor but because he didn't do as you wanted, you begin to slur his name.   This is just plain wrong!   I understand your disappointment, but this is not right to get vindictive.   Instead you should be thankful that he has such concern for your daughter that he would not put her into harm's way in spite of your begging him "for the thousandth time".   I am rather impressed that he even bothered to speak with your immunologist knowing that you were constantly pressing him to do that which he is unqualified to do.


As to having an "in", I think that your doctor is likely the best means of getting one and I would suggest that he write an email to Dr. Castells explaining your daughter's case and having him personally ask her to open up a spot to see your daughter.  


Lisa




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Re: Horrible visit with dr Afrin - help!
Reply #17 - 04/23/13 at 01:17:26
 
Everyone is entitled to share their opinion, regardless if it is negative or positive about a doctor. That is how the rest of us gather information and process what to do about that.

Lisa does make some valid points, in that if Dr. Afrin has no knowledge about kids, then you certainly don't want his opinion on helping your daughter. Dr. Castells is definitely the doc to see. I have an email fro her that I will private message you, and perhaps that will get you in contact with her. If not, I read on the forum somewhere that she has a right hand woman to contact at her office who should be able to help. Can anyone chime in with details on that?

You may or may not need a new local doc, as your immunologist is not a believer of MCAS.  That could be harder to deal with than finding just a regular GP who is willing to be open minded and manage your daughter's day to day health with an eye open for MCAS symptoms. If you can get Dr. Castells on board as your specialist, then you will be set.  Smiley

I wish that I could help you more, but hopefully the email address will help!
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