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09/08/11 at 13:39:04
 
Hello,

My name is Todd.   I'm 48.  I live in Tennessee, and I have a mast cell disorder.   I am still officially undiagnosed.   But I am quite sure this is what I have.   I will give a brief history:   Upon reflection, I believe I have always had some type of subtle immunopathology.  Nevertheless, I was a physically active child, who ran with a very active crowd of peers.  Other than having more colds and flus than others, and less stamina, my history is unremarkable until age 19.   At that time, I came down with a very bad case of mononucleosis.  I never fully recovered, and went on to decend into Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.   About 15 years following this, I had my first symptom of what I now see as a mast cell disorder.  I ate a banana and had flushing a burning skin in my face afterward.  I was puzzled.   This reaction continued to expand to many other foods and chemicals, mold, etc..   Now my illness seems dominated by the mast cell disorder.   No one could ever understand my symptoms, although one doctor correctly tested me for carcinoid syndrome, for which I was negative.   Finally, a doctor suggested I take some niacin to see how I reacted.  I did, and my body just went nuts !   He correctly suggested this was a pathology involving histamine and mast cells, and prescribed anti-histamines, which of course, helped enormously.   I still had no suggestion of mastocytosis.   Later, I independently learned of this disorder while reading on the internet.   The symptoms fit me very well.    I need to get to a good masto doctor (Boston?), but this is problematic due to finances.   I will briefly mention some things that were key in my illness.  1) Two years before I originally became ill I had my wisdom teeth cut out (age 17).  I carried silent infection there, in the bones, for 18 years until I was very depleted.  I had "cavitation" surgery for this and made a nearly miraculous 24 hour turn about.  The transformation was astonishing, with my mast cell symptoms decreasing probably 50% overnight.   Later, our house had some mold remediation.  I was horrified to find my mattress infested with green and black mold.   It was really, really bad, sickening even.   We tossed the mattress, but my condition did not improve.  I saw Dr. Shoemaker in Pocomoke MD., but he was unable to help.   My condition regressed again in several years to where I currently am.   A second series of cavitation surgeries two years ago was not helpful this time.   So that's my story in a nut shell.    I continue to puzzle over my situation, its relation to viruses/retroviruses known and unknown, gene expression, environment, possible therapies, etc..  I am hopeful that medicine with come up with more effective therapies for these disorders, esp. with the growing field of regenerative medicine, but I must admit sometimes I get pretty worn out.   I want to thank Deborah for this forum.   I'm please to be a new member.   Thanks for listening,
Todd in Tenn.      
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Reply #1 - 09/09/11 at 00:42:25
 
Hi Todd. Welcome to the forum! I found your story very interesting, and it does seem as if you have a mast cell disorder. I wonder what doctor is near TN. Does anyone out there have any recommendations for Todd in regard to a masto doc near him? I will email Dr Akin for you Todd and ask if there is anyone around you that he recommends.

Your moldy mattress simply sounds horrifying! Yikes! That would definitely trigger symptoms. Do you take any meds now, Todd? If so, which ones?

You will find a lot of good info here as well as helpful people. So, enjoy the forum and feel free to jump into any discussions!
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Reply #2 - 09/09/11 at 01:01:32
 
Todd, welcome to the forum! Your gonna love it here. Great information and support here. I live in Alabama just a few short miles fron the TN border. I was not able to find a mast cell doctor close by so I'm drive to South Carolina to see Dr Afrin this coming Monday. He is open to and receptive to email communications if you are interested. Glad you found this forum and glad to have you here.
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Reply #3 - 09/09/11 at 05:19:15
 
Todd, welcome!  I do not have a diagnosis yet but like you I feel I am on the right track with a mast cell disorder.  I have already learned so much from others here and think you will as well.  It doesn't seem like there are a lot of doctors out there who are very versed on mast cell disease.  What I have realized in my own situation is that I have saved more time and money going to the RIGHT doctors than spending so much time and money on the wrong ones who practice where I live.  I wish you the best in getting some answers!
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Reply #4 - 09/09/11 at 13:57:46
 
Tod there is an outfit out there called Angel Flight.  It is a charitable organization of pilots that donate their time and plane, small plane to fly ill patients like us to doctor appointments and for other medical reasons and like I it is a charitable thing and does not cost.  They have helped me 5 or 6 times.  Although my destination is not as far as you have to travel you may be able to get help through them to get to Boston.  
I know some have flown to FLA from Mass.

They are throughout the country and how they would work to get you from TN to Boston I am not sure but I have known people that have flown them for longer flights than I take.  I use the northeast section for my flights so I have the northeast section's phone number.  If you need it or for that matter if anyone feels they would like to check it out, send me a PM and hopefully they will be able to help.

To get around Boston is somewhat easy.  You should be able to get a room for under $100 a night...I think last time I stayed just for a night it was about $80.
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Reply #5 - 09/14/11 at 01:25:55
 
Listmates,

I want to thank everyone for the warm welcome, and offers of assistance.  I think I am going to need them !  Smiley    My meds are currently:

- Doxepin (as Elixir) ~ 30mg/day
- Allegra (generic/unknown) 60mg/day

I know that level of medication must sound ridiculously low to most people here.  However, I can (mostly) control my symptoms with that level of medicinet IF... I avoid triggers (which are many).   I am probably under medicated, I admit.

The things that I could probably use help on right at this moment would be the proper form of :

-Zantac ?
- Allegra ?
- Singulair ?  (or the other Leukotrines inhibitor ?  Zyflo ?)

By which I mean, the kind/brand do people usually react the least to ?  For example,  I once tried to get Doxepin from Wal-Mart to save money, as it was cheaper than my elixir.  But I reacted horribly to it.  It was a little yellow capsule, and it made me skin burn very badly !   So, I still have my doxepin compounded into a more pure, liquid form.

Deborah,  I will take that recommendation for an East Tenn. doctor.  Thank you for offering.   Smiley  

Thank you all again for the warm welcome,
Todd in Tenn.

P.S.  Is anyone aware of anything specific (or theoretical !)  in terms of science/regenerative medicine that seems promising for this disease ?  I know some people who got stem cells in Panama already for CFS.   They did very well for about a year.   But then they regress to previous condition.  Genetic corruption from a virus, or retrovirus was suspected for this reversal (i.e. the patients were infected/corrupted, and over time this drowned out the good influence of the stem cells).  So far there have been no side effects at three years out (an aggressive cancer was a theorectical risk of this procedure).  

    Immune ablation/reconstitution comes to mind also.   But that would be  hard and  risky.   I fantasize about this sort of thing.  
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Reply #6 - 09/25/11 at 15:59:29
 
Welcome!  Sounds like you do a fair amount of reading.  I hope this helps answer your last question:
Most cases of MCAD and Mastocytosis are not life threatening.  Immune Ablation is.  There are some experimental treatments but these are reserved for those who have the Leukemia version of Mastocytosis.  Several genes may be responsible for mast cell disorders but there is no gene treatments authorized for these as of yet.  
Since mast cells are an important part of the immune system and protect the body.  More over, a stem cell factor is hematopoietic growth factor and the ligand of the cell surface c-kit protein. It is expressed during embryogenesis and is a growth factor for a number of cell types including the MAST CELLS. So I suspect, while you may have an initial decline due to the immune ablation,  as the stem cells start morphing, you may end up where you started but with much more risk.  There is so much that is still unknown.  Due to the fact that no one has been found that was born with no mast cells, it is evident that they are required.  As they are primary in embryogenesis, I would guess that a genetic defect would just proliferate.
Right now there are a lot of observations, studies, and conjecture but I suspect that within the next 10 to 20 years  there will be cures for defective genes that are quite simple.
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Reply #7 - 09/25/11 at 16:54:13
 
Hi Todd and welcome to the forum!  Sorry to hear about your struggle.

If you're near Arkansas, there's a hematologist in Little Rock who diagnosed one of our other forum members who has a rare auto-immune type of mast cell disorder.  The doc's name is Frits Van Rhee, and he's at U. of Arkansas Medical Sciences (UAMS).  I've heard he is back there this fall after being elsewhere last year.  UAMS is the medical school at the U. of Arkansas.  I think it's a short distance from Memphis.  Our member who saw him says he is brilliant, and the whole department is excellent.

As for meds, Allegra comes in 60 mg. and 180 mg.  60 mg. lasts 8-12 hours for me. but most people take 180 mg., twice a day.  The manufacturer recommends 180 mg. to last 24 hours.  Even though the 60 is supposed to be a 12 hour tablet, they said 120 wasn't enough to last 24 hrs.  It might come as a liquid for children now, but your pharmacist can tell you that.  I use generic tablets, and it doesn't seem to bother me.  It's definitely effective.

The generic Zantac I've gotten has had a lot of dye in it.  It's been either darker tannish orange or red.  I don't like to use red, as red dyes are often a problem for people.


Gastrocrom is another med you might want to consider.  I started out taking 1/3 of a vial and worked up to 4-8/day.  It really helps with GI symptoms.  You mix it into water and drink it.  Do you have an epipen?  It's a precautionary thing to have with you always, just in case you meet an unexpected big trigger and have an anaphylactic reaction. Another thing to discuss with your doctor.

In general, unless there's aggressive disease, treatment is medicines to control symptoms.  It's important to get up to a dosage of meds at which you're not triggering a lot, as that can be detrimental and dangerous.  Removing triggers is very important.  If it becomes aggressive, and only about 5% of cases do, there are some new drugs that are very effective.  The docs will consider risk vs. benefits when deciding whether to treat aggressively or not and which drugs work on which specific type of mutation or lack of one.

Are you aware of the low histamine diet?  The one posted by ICUS is very helpful, and many of us have had relief from being on it.  It takes a week or two to see a difference.

I think it's safe to say that most people who use Singulair get relief from a higher than 10 mg. dose.  Maybe someone will post about that.  I didn't find it helped me, but I may try a bigger dose and see if that's better.

Hope that's helpful.
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Reply #8 - 09/26/11 at 03:03:24
 
joan:
i was wondering about the different colors of zantac, mine had always been the red ones now get the organish ones, so far  i can't tell a difference. & daow we may not have to wait for gene cures right now xolair seems to be helping those with MCAD & a french drug mastinib supposedly has passed wordwide phase 3 testing, like DR V was doing at MD Anderson, & is supposed to be approved & out late 1st quarter or early 2nd quarter next year. It used for people like me who have the ckit mutation & have SM especially with heavy cuteanous involvement to attack & kill those leaking bad mast cells. the problem is getting your insurance company to approve either treatment.
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Reply #9 - 09/26/11 at 03:16:55
 
Dear Todd...

I also live in TN.  I work with an immunotherapist/allergist..however, I do not think he is that up on MCAD, but does recognize I have something severely wrong with my immune system and works with me on antihist and has given me emergency pred before.  I think he believes I have some hidden allergies/overactive immune system, but I don't think he has made the MCAD connection.  I have had blood tryptase testing which was negative, so that was good news in terms of not having systemic masto.  I am not sure where you are located, but I think there may be some masto knowledgeable drs at Vanderbilt, so that might be worth a shot if you can't get out of state.  Have you had tryptase testing or any biopsies done?
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Reply #10 - 09/26/11 at 03:36:11
 
Sorry gang, but the doctors who were pioneers and knowledgeable in Mastocytosis at Vanderbilt are retired now and they left nobody behind who knew.   One of our members here went to Vanderbilt this year and came back totally empty handed - Kim.  She has since recently gone to South Carolina to see Dr. Afrin.  He is heading the investigation now and he is very knowledgeable in MCAD and SM.  

So, I recommend that you not waste time nor money with Vanderbilt, but consider going to an expert instead.


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Reply #11 - 09/26/11 at 05:07:15
 
Deborah:

If you find a recommended name for E TN I would also be interested.  I know there is one allergist in town who has at least treated mastocyctosis (read about it in Mast Society newsletter awhile ago), but not sure if he would be the one for MCAD also.  My allergist tries to help, but I just don't think he is that up on MCAD.

If you find one out, please Pm thanks!!!
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Reply #12 - 09/26/11 at 18:58:50
 
Hello Todd, welcome to the most informative group ever! Smiley It sounds like you've so done your research and just continue to do so. We all here help each other with information, yet we all seem to be somewhat varied on the medications because our tolerances are so different. The great thing you've figured out is two meds you tolerate! Stick with those brands, generic or not it's what you tolerate. If you are content with your control of symptoms on your current regimine of medications stick with it! Then if symptoms begin to arise add an extra allegra to whack it back under control. I don't have doxepin experience, but if you are managing with your two stick with em. Then if you are feeling you need more, first possibly up your dose of what you tolerate consistently. Then look at adding one more at a time. I'm a fan of zantac for gastro issues along with allegra. Oh and if chemical triggers you to gastro anaphylaxis I'd really try zantac. I was shocked at how well it has helped. That's after a terrible reaction to my first zantac trial. Years later I tried it again but different brand and ahhhhhhh relief!  On a cure, well my bet is on Dr. Theohardies, and the new mast cell disorder clinic in Boston.  Dr Theo really has a passion for figuring this disease out, dear Lord he was so inspiring this last October, he really thinks within our lifetime there will be a cure! He's definitely got the passion to find it. When looking into meds just remember every manufacturer is different even when making the same drug, there are several generic manufacturers and you will find which manufacturer tends to make the best mix of inert ingredients for your system! I'm with Joan I hate the colors, especially reds! Uggghhh migrane city. So far I'm tolerating the "iron oxides" they use in place of the red dyes. I thought I'd react to a iodine based dye, but tolerate it so far. Why do they feel a pill needs a color? What a pointless waste! Do you tolerate benadryl? Make sure you have some dye free benadryl in your arsenal of rescue meds if you do tolerate it.
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Reply #13 - 09/27/11 at 02:25:53
 
Hey Todd, Lisa is correct. I saw two different specialists at Vanderbilt. Neither one of them ever mentioned a mast cell disorder. In fact the gastroenterologist listened to my story and then said to me, "You know, it doesn't look good that you have seen so many doctors." i should have said in response to him ,"you know, it really doesn't look good that you doctors can't diagnose me!" All he did was write me a prescription for a known medication to treat IBS and depression. I was with him no more than 10 minutes and i've never gone back to see him. The other doctor was a rheumatoid specialist. Great bedside manner. He ran tests for lupus, scleroderma and a slew of other autoimmune disorders. When it all came back negative he told me i have fibromyalgia which i disGree with as does my family doctor. I saw him a couple times before he gave me that diagnosis and then stopped going back to him. I have spent years seeking out answers and jumping from doctor to doctor. The only Plus to it was ruling OUT many things. But i got sicker and sicker. My opinion would be to skip that mess and seek out a known mast cell specialist and let them do their thing. The closest known specialist to me here in North Alabama is Dr Afrin.
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Reply #14 - 10/01/11 at 09:56:21
 
Thanks again for all the continued welcomes, suggestions, and well wishes.   I have only known about masto diseases for a few years and have been resistant to treating it because I wanted to "get well" and not have to be medicated for the rest of my life.  

Anyway, I think I'm going to begin to focus more and more on this aspect of my disease process.   I so clearly have this (or something like it), and my other efforts at solving my problems are going no where really, really, fast.

Todd in Tenn.

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