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12/26/12 at 16:14:45
 
Hi all,

I'm new here and I have so many questions.  I am a 33 year old nurse with a husband and 3 girls.  I have been healthy my whole life with no allergies until April 2011.   My first health issue landed me in the ER in the middle of the night--I had taken melatonin for the second time ever before bed. I woke up to use the bathroom and when I went back to bed my heart was pounding out of my chest.  My arms and legs went numb and I felt faint.  This lasted 15 to 20 min on my way to the ER.  I finally started coughing  and slowed my heart rate down.   This continued to happen to me over the next few months.  They thought I had SVT (rapid heart rate).  Then in July of 2011, my doctor put me on Prozac for my PMS symptoms ( I had a copper IUD at the time).  The third day I took it, I developed a horrid lump in my throat and was told I had anxiety.  The pressure in my throat felt like it would split it in half.  I was given Ativan, but it didn't help.  I would get the lump for 1.5 hours and could barely swallow.  I stopped taking meds and continued to have trouble swallowing.  I lost 10 pounds in 2 weeks.  I had an endoscopy etc...  Then in Oct 2011 I had an allergic reaction to crab cakes and the reactions took off from there.  I ended up in the ER and got an Epi-Pen.  I now carry liquid Benadryl, Epi, loratidine, and Zantac at all times.  I was told I was having panic attacks by a few different doctors.  I felt like I was losing my mind.  I felt like my IUD bothered me and requested to have it out--I felt better within a week, but continued to have symptoms.  Any anxiety I was having went away when I got the IUD out (I think the copper triggered anxiety).  I have now lost 20 pounds in a year, and feel like I react to every thing.  I have Raynaud's, swollen lymph nodes,  irreg heart rate, near fainting episodes, occasional flushing, no rash or hives, and I had another anaphylactic episode in Oct (4th one so far).  Since that reaction, I now eat only a handful of foods (eggs, mushrooms, co-jack cheese, cereal, bread, and cookies/crackers) without reacting.  My throat swells right away if I eat the wrong thing and my heart flips out.  I also have new reactions to smells--cooking foods, Aveda products, and cologne--my throat gets tight.  I take Benadryl and Claritin and they help.  I am going to the Mayo right now and the allergist tested me for Mastocytosis, but everything was on the high end of normal.  Tryptase 10.7, so he will not give me a referral to a mast cell specialist.  I saw a GI doctor for the swallowing issues and he thinks it is mast cell related, but did a swallow study (when my throat felt weird) and told  me the diameter of my esophagus is half that of a normal one.  He is doing an endoscopy next week for eosinophilic esophagitis (I was tested for that last Aug and it was negative--before I started having the food reactions).  I requested a mast cell biopsy too, but he said no, because the mast cells would be there anyway. ??  I am calling him back tomorrow to request the mast cell biopsy anyway.  What does anyone think of this?  Does anyone have the same issues with their throat?  I think it is the mast cells swelling in my throat and if they don't biopsy for them, they'll miss it.  I see the allergist again in Jan for skin testing, but they can't do any of the spices I think I react to (red pepper, cayenne, cilantro).  Is there anything else I could say or do to help my case, and does this sound like a mast cell issue to you?  Sorry this is so long...  And thanks for any response.

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Reply #1 - 12/26/12 at 17:16:02
 
Hi and welcome. Just a quick response from me right now because it is after midnight as I write this and I am tired. The reason the doc won't do a mast cell biopsy is because that is not how you test. We don't test specific areas of the body for mast cell disease. It is a full body thing. Kind of like being pregnant - you either are or you aren't.

The way to test for Masto is to do a bone marrow biopsy. You are in one of the few places which know how to do it correctly when testing for Masto. I have heard that it is hard to get a ton of Masto help from Mayo, though, due to their doctors being a bit closeminded on their requirements to diagnose it. Plus I don't know if they even acknowledge the condition of mast cell activation syndrome, which is treated by the Boston Mast cell researcher, Dr Castells and Dr Akin at Brigham and Young Hospital at Harvard.

So if you end up with a discouraging diagnosis from Mayo. (As in they don't know or don't think you have mast cell disease), don't give up hope. We can give your specialist names to check out if you need them. It is good that mayo is ruling out a ton of stuff for you. That will help you in your investigation.  
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Reply #2 - 12/27/12 at 04:50:59
 
Hi Sarah...
usually I leave responses to the medical experts on this forum and they are good and helpful but after reading your note a couple of times I wanted to say a couple of things...and please know that I just say things plain..no offense to anyone
test results show negative...it is not unusual for masto folks to get this statement in regard to results..we are different...now if we all had the symptoms the same..like mumps or chicken pox etc doctors and test would all show that..that is why in my opinion we are so hard to diagnosis...
now since I was diagnosis with a bio of my spots it was not hard to come to that results...you have masto they said..and thru the years I have progressed until I now know that I have systemic as well...and for a very long time I did just fine until one day BAM  I started with anaphylaxis which is what you sound like in your note..so I am pretty good with that kind of stuff...heart pounding..throat closing ..etc ...that's me..so thankfully I finally got my meds working and now I am pretty stable..
I learned that I have 3 main enemies...heat, exercise and STRESS...I will always believe that my stressful job( not a nurse but worked in the ER, children and lots of home life baddies) set my masto off..how do you avoid stress especially with children job etc...I don't know but maybe you could find a place within yourself for that
smells are big for me...food sometimes can eat it and next time not..but when I get myself into a stressful situation I find myself stuttering and having to calm myself down so that shock does not hit..
now my meds work for me in my world...but maybe not for you and what Ms. Deb does might not work for you but it does for her...
please do not become discouraged..be aware of what is working for you..and since you are in the medical field you know that doctors sometimes miss the mark
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Reply #3 - 12/27/12 at 10:53:44
 
Hi and thanks for the replies.  My triggers are mainly food, smells are a new trigger, mold is terrible for me, and cold is a trigger.  The anaphylaxis with eating certain spices is the worst, most scary thing for me.  Do the mast cell stabilizers help with that, and does the Zantac? (I don't take it regularly--right now it's mostly Claritin and liquid Benadryl).  If you all have any advice as to what meds help the most with that, that would be great.  I really like the GI doctor at Mayo and I think he will be a big help to me, but I still feel really sensitive after the reaction I had at the end of October.  It's scary being home alone with my kids a lot because my husband is working out of state most of the time right now:(  This website is very helpful and has the most information I've found so far.  Thanks--Sarah
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Reply #4 - 12/27/12 at 11:35:53
 
Hi Sarah,
Welcome, I am sure you will find the forum very helpful.  To answer some of your questions...
Zantac is an H2 and yes it does help stablize you.  I take 2 a day along with 2 H1(clairtin and allegra) They help to stabilize the mast cells right in the stomach.  I started out taking 4 a day, but have been able to drop down to 2 a day.
My next advice would be to look into salicylates, if you have read very much on the forum you may have seen me ranting and raving about salicylates, if not I will save you the time.  Salicylates cause me to go into anaphylaxis.  Lots of throat swelling.  Salicylates are natural in plants and those spices you speak of!  Spices are especially high in salicylates!  Here is a link:
http://salicylatesensitivity.com/forum/
Look under the food guide for list of foods.  Most food contains salicylates, but they are in lists low, moderate, high and very high.  On a good day I can eat moderate sals.
Unfortunately they are also in most of the products we use everyday.  Shampoo, soap, mouthwash, toothpaste and fabric softners.  Worst offenders to me are the fabric softners and mouthwash.  A lot of the fragrances in products are considered salicylates. (imagine that).
Also menthol products and of course asprin products.  
I would just recommend that you rule out salicylates you may just be slightly sensitive.  I like you, woke up one day and bam! Anaphylaxis.  I also had the your stessed out speech.  I even had my throat stretched(that hurt)  But with research and a specialist we figured it out.
Also, be sure to carry 2 epi pens.  I don't know if you know about the rebound effect, but this happened to me in the ER and I needed more Epi, so carry 2!
Feel free to ask lots of questions!
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Reply #5 - 12/27/12 at 12:56:55
 
Haven't read all of the replies yet but from your initial post we are very similar. My triggers are food, scents, meds and started out of the blue.

Completely unscenting my life, stopped using ALL products, going on an organic rotation diet ( I started with low histamine), staying hydrated, getting lots of sleep and experimenting with MCAS meds with the help of an MCAS doc is what helped me. Also reading about those with environmental illness to learn how to cope with the scent issues.

I was essentially turned away from Mayo and not given any useful treatment options because my tryptase was normal. I would do whatever you can to get into a MCAS expert such as those in Boston or South Carolina or get your local GP to ask them for remote help.

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Reply #6 - 12/27/12 at 13:07:12
 
Hi Pam and thanks for the info--I will keep an eye on the salicylates.  I also had another question.  Do people keep adding to the list of foods they can't tolerate or does it ever stop?  I have eaten carrots this whole time, but since my last reaction, now both times I've tried eating them, my throat gets swollen and heart skips--with only a small amount.  Makes me nervous to eat anything sometimes...  Did the stretching help your throat?  Also, 2 doctors cautioned me against using the epi-pen with the tachycardia I get with reactions (which confused me since tachycardia is a symptom of anaphylaxis), and once my b/p was 140/100, not low like normal for me.  I think after reading other people's posts, that I should take the epi next time.   Thanks again!
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Reply #7 - 12/27/12 at 14:17:37
 
Sarah,
I don't know any thing about why you were told to be cautious about using your epi.  You might have to ask here on the forum. I have never used my Epi(i should have a couple of times), so I'm not the best one to tell you when to or when not to use it.  I have read if you feel like you are going to pass out then use it.  I always use Benedryl Dye Free capsules for my 1st emergency med. then I would go for the Epi if the benedryl did not work.
Obviously, if your thoat is completely closed then you should use it.  I know people that are sensitive to sulfite (found in the Epi pens) are still instructed to use it in an emergency.  Always call 911 if you have to use the Epi.
Yes, the throat stretching(there is a medical name for this proceedure) did widen my esophogus, but it swells easily and I don't know if it was worth the procedure.  I had this done before I knew my throat was swelling due to triggers.  But, yes it did widen it!  I was sore after the proceedure, I gargled with salt water for a few days.

As far as adding to the trigger list...You will read about people talking about a bucket theory.  For example usually people start the day with an empty bucket, through out the day we fill our buckets with foods or scents.  It can take all day or just a few hours to get a full bucket. If you are unstable it happens pretty quick!  So your bucket is pretty full and you eat that carrot and low and behold you have filled it and its "overflowing".  So does that mean you are now totally allergic to carrots?  Maybe or maybe just slightly with tons of other things in your bucket.  The reaction is the same either way.  So you have to figure out your triggers.  I was reacting to mixed veggies.(anaphilylaxis)  This was before I had a DX or medication.  Now I could probably eat mixed veggies with out a problem, if I was sure my bucket was not full and I was stable.  You will eventually figure out what is going to tip your bucket.  
I would highly suggest making a food diary.  You need to write  down EVERYTHING you PUT IN your body...not just food but meds can trigger too.  Usually the inactive ingredients are the problems.  Lots of us have trouble with the dyes with the numbers(red 40, yellow 10)  oxide dyes seem to be safer. You need to write your reaction to foods after you eat and the next day.  Somethings can have a delayed reaction.
You should look up the Elimination diet.  It is horrible!  You just eat a few thing for awhile then you add one food at a time, by doing this you can see what foods trigger you.  I belive they recommend chicken and rice to start with. (with no spices) Horrible but very effective.
Just to let you know carrots are moderatly high in salicylates.  Undecided
I have read that sometimes during anaphylaxis that your blood pressure will go up before it drops, its like your bodies way of tring to help itself.

How does your stomach feel?
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Reply #8 - 12/28/12 at 13:21:46
 
Hello and thanks for the responses.  I haven't had ANYONE to talk to who understands what this does to a person, so it's nice to have feedback.  Anaphylaxing--thanks for the advice.  My doctor has been great about getting help for me, so I will ask her if I don't get more help from the Mayo Clinic.   Pam--my stomach is good so far.  I don't have issues with bowels, upset stomach, or reflux.  It's my heart and throat that seem to be the most affected, and the dizzy spells are scary--I got tunnel vision once when I was driving.  We figured out our truck had an exhaust leak, and I was having a lot of symptoms driving.  We got it fixed and it's been much better.  I wanted to ask someone too--I did take Ibuprofen this whole time when I needed it, until several months ago.  My throat was already reacting and I took both Ibu and Benadryl and now I don't know if it made me feel strange.  The only thing I noticed that was different was that I took a smaller dose of Ibuprofen than normal because it made me feel almost high???   Has anyone else had that happen, and do you think I should not take it again?  I also took penicillin for an infection in my gum this summer without problems, but I felt good at the time, and was taking Claritin daily.  I've only had allergic-type reactions for a year and 2 months, so I don't know if things will keep getting worse.  My urine prostaglandin D-2 was 950 and normal is less than 1000.  So, I'm not sure if that means anything.  Thank you all so much!  P.S.  I will do better with the food diary--I have one started, but rice sticks in my throat, so do you think potatoes would be good?
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Reply #9 - 01/01/13 at 18:27:10
 
Dear Sarah,

I am not an expert, but your story is a lot like mine (I posted on July 19, 2011) for the first time.  I don't know what I would have done without the help of so many who care on this forum and the guidance they gave (and are still giving me).

There is so much to learn and although many of us have a lot in common,  we are different at the same time.  Just as redbird said, what works for one may not work for another.    But....the suggestions you get here are always excellent to pursue.

Like you, I get ridiculously high BP when I go into anaphylaxis.  For some of us it is a compensatory action (reaction) as our body tries to adjust itself to what may eventually be a "crash" .  Soooo....the epi works to settle the mast cells if you are either hypertensive or hypotensive.  Does that make sense?

If you do have a mast cell disorder, the release of hundreds of chemicals into your system can make you feel like you are having a panic attack.  Norepi and epi and histamine, and on and on (as you well know if you are a nurse), puts our systems into overdrive.  I was diagnosed with panic attacks, like you, and now I know they are mast cell degranulations.  I am not saying this is what is happening to you, I am just saying that it is possible that this is what might be happening.

Debbie has a heading as part of this forum that I believe says "Start Here".  It would be very helpful for you to start there and do some reading (in all your spare time, right?)  Wink  It explains what tests you need to ask your physician to order to rule out other diseases that can cause similar symptoms to masto. Many of us are diagnosed by what we "DO NOT" have rather than what we do have, if that makes any sense.  As much as I understand all of "this," a BMB is NOT done unless your tryptase is elevated or if an expert in mast cell disorders suspects systemic mastocytosis.  **OK...forum leaders, please correct me if need be.**

I can relate as far as your diet.  I have been eating 6 foods for just over 13 months.  For me, I started reacting to soy and dairy and I kept adding to the list.  I went to see an allergist and he told me he thought I was "allergic to the process of eating".  In a way he was correct.  Sometimes our buckets become so full that the process of digestion actually causes symptoms (i.e itchiness, dizziness, swelling, hives, stomach upset, bone pain, etc). It's not the actual food (although it can be). But that is why it is really important to keep a food diary like Pam suggested.  Once we "collect" that information and understand what "sets us off" (what we call "triggers,) we need to avoid them.  (At least until we know what is really going on in our body!)  I am not sure how much you have read, but triggers are things that cause our mast cells to release their chemicals.  So keeping a daily log is perfect. This can be a challenge because sometimes we have immediate reactions and sometimes we have delayed reactions.  Perhaps some of the most knowledgeable leaders on this site can help explain that better than I can (brain fog is a big part of this as well and it's getting late). Tongue

As Ana stated, for most of us a low histamine diet is essential.  For me, I also need a low tyramine diet (it's really a NO tyramine diet).  Also, if your foods are becoming extremely limited, and it seems like they are, then it is important to rotate them if possible.

One comment you made caught my attention because I have dealt with it many times.  You said you have tunnel vision. I am wondering what you mean by that.  Could you explain it more?  At times, when I look at things, the top part of my vision is just black..sometimes it is just a " black spot" and the rest is blurry. In my experience from talking to mast cell specialists and autonomic neurologists, they both have suggested the possibility of it being a mast cell degranulation and/or POTS. I don't want to overwhelm you, and this is a lot of information, but sometimes some of us with mast cell disorders can have (but not everyone!) an autonomic dysfunction. I think I need to stop there as I am not sure how much reading you have had time to do.  You may already know all of this.  Shocked  What I do when this happens is immediately close my eyes (and keep them closed), lower my head, rest it in my hands or on my knees and sit or lie down.....take some deep breaths and stay as calm as possible. It is the scariest reaction I have as well. It can last up to five minutes or more and I can get panicky really easy if I don't follow "my" format.  Again...we are all different so you may have a different "process" than I do that will help you more.  But, it does go away!  As Ana stated, get LOTS of rest, keep HYDRATED and HYDRATED some more!  OK?

I (we) just want you to know that there are many of us with similar symptoms like yours.  Again, starting from the beginning is REALLY important as there are other things that mimic mast cell disorders as well.  It is really important they be ruled out. OK?  

I do want to "ditto" Ana's comment about Mayo.  I too was refused help at Mayo.  I live fairly close to Rochester so it would be wonderful to be able to get help there.  I have a confirmed diagnosis of Mast Cell Activation Syndrome.  If you would like more information as to who I saw or information from anyone else on this site, we would be glad to share that info. with you.  I have been fortunate to have been both to Charleston and Boston.  It seems overwhelming, but not having the right answers to your questions and a plan in place that will help you the best way possible, there could be a lot of needless frustration.  I am not saying there are not a lot of good docs out there...There just are NOT a lot who really understand mast cell disorders/mastocytosis.

Oh.....many of us can not take NSAID's (did I mix those letter up??)ugh...   You may want to looks at the Mastocytosis website...tmsforacure.org   This will be very helpful as well.  They have a list of possible meds that are not well tolerated by those with mast cell disorders.

Again.....there are a lot of wonderful people on this forum and they will help you with any and all questions you have.  Please ask anything you need to, OK?

Take care...hugs, Lynda
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Reply #10 - 01/01/13 at 18:35:07
 
p.s.  My diet consists of potatoes, summer squash, small amounts of chicken, granulated rice (hot for breakfast)  made with water and small amounts of almond milk, sometimes sweet potatoes and sometimes not, and carrots.  Once in awhile I can eat small amounts of fish.  I weighed 141 at the hospital after my first "episode" in 2010.  Two months ago after a bout in the hospital, I weighed 89.  I am happy to report I have gained 10 pounds in the last couple of months....I dump lots of olive oil on my food and use salt too!  Not to mention that wonderful cromolyn!  Cheesy  It does help.

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What a helpful post, Lynda, stocked full of good advice! Smiley
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Reply #12 - 01/05/13 at 11:13:29
 
Hi Lynda and everyone.  Thanks so much for the information.  The tunnel vision I got was when I was driving, it looked like I was looking through a dark tunnel--the edges were all dark and it was light in the middle.  I pulled over immediately and then my heart was in a very fast rhythm for a long time with lots of skipped beats.  I have not had that happen again so far, but I did have a 5-10 minute episode where I felt like I was going to faint and had to put my head down (when my daughter was getting her braces).  It feels embarrasing sometimes, all the things that happen,  but no one else can see it...  I live fairly close to Mayo too, and I went there for a swallow study on a day where my throat was swollen--I did not take Benadryl.  They said my esophagus is half the diameter of a normal persons and so I just had an endoscopy on New Year's Eve.  They found eosinophils, so now they are looking at eosinophilic esophagitis.  I had biopsies for this in Sept 2011 when I had trouble swallowing all the time and it was negative.  I will now do a trial of a proton-pump inhibitors and then have another endoscopy.  My doctor says it does not explain all of my other symptoms and wants autonomic dysfunction looked into.  I don't know what to think because he said if there are eosinophils in my throat, there will be mast cells too.  All of my symptoms fall under mast cell disorders, and no other disease explains everything.  If it's not a mast cell issue, that would be great Cheesy  I am going in for more allergy testing on Monday, so we'll see.  I have been keeping a food journal and will watch it closely.  Thanks for all of the input.  --Sarah
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Reply #13 - 01/05/13 at 11:20:45
 
P.S.  I try to drink water all day anyway, but why does staying hydrated help?  Also, why do some people say they can only eat very over-cooked veggies?  Thanks!
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Reply #14 - 01/05/13 at 12:55:34
 
Ooh i would like to know that too!

Why do we have to drink water?

And why over cook veg?
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