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Reply #15 - 08/20/11 at 05:36:20
 
CU is chronic urtcaria and there is an autoimmune chronic urtcaria both associated with mast cells and which can be associated with autoimmune diseases...this is why I asked if your husband had an ASST or are they past this?

Many patients with urticaria and mast cell disease have tested positive with the autologous serum skin test (ASST). In this test, the patient's own blood is spun down and separated into plasma that is then injected back under the skin. A wheal at the injection site usually indicates an autoimmune disease. And in the book, "Urticaria and Angioedema," by Drs. Greaves and Kaplan, the basophil histamine release test is described to confirm a positive ASST.

Taken from this article which also mentioned an IL6 test to determine extent of disease

http://alford.grimtrojan.com/Mast_Cells_GI_Motility_Disease.htm

Here is something on the net that mentions CU with thyroid and autoimmune conditions...when we have to do our own research we are at wits end... Grin

http://202.70.88.22:9098/nams/cgi-bin/library.cgi?e=d-01000-00---off-0nams--00-1...


maybe this will be beneficial for me it means I must add more questions onto my list for Castells...hope you can access info
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Reply #16 - 08/20/11 at 07:40:25
 
Hey thanks so much!
the article on GI mobility is great...really pieced it all together, I would post it on another subcategory on this forum...I bet other people would enjoy reading it.

The only thing my husband doesn't get is hives, he gets rashes and I think a couple different one: eczema, follicular dermatitis, a pimply rash from foods or heat and in think he just got psoriasis...another autoimmune disorder. Hes never had that skin ASST test either.

After you see Dr Castells I would also email Dr Theoharides...he's amazing and it's like talking to hypocrites...his email is on his web site and since youre in Mass you could go see him. The article you sent also mentions that you can mail him a sample of your blood and he will test the cytokines...we did that and had all our families send him samples as well.

Thanks again for sharing!
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Reply #17 - 08/20/11 at 09:55:49
 

I do not get hives either but I do have dark spots on my legs which look like hair folicles that come and go...I mentioned this to doctors and thought is was RMSF - rocky mountain spotterd fever but that being said maybe it is a form of urticaria

http://www.nature.com/eye/journal/v17/n6/full/6700467a.html

here is another interesting article on the eyepiece and with like I said my eyes are bothersome I will mention this to Castells as systemic steroids and topical seteroids have not helped.   We will see....

what I would give to again be able to sit in a casino and play texas holdem rather than on this darn compuer Roll Eyes...lol.....prior to becoming ill my only contact with a compter was at work...
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Reply #18 - 08/21/11 at 04:13:24
 
Sorry that I'm late coming to this conversation...

Welcome to the group, Avenger!  With your symptoms, ANA and complement levels I think you should actually consider two diagnoses:

1) Chronic Autoimmune Urticaria

This is a rather old article (1993), but it's the best one I've found about the antibodies associated with this disorder (which I also have).

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199306033282204

2) Urticarial Vasculitis

This could explain your problems with the "spots" on your legs as well as the problems with your eyes.

http://dermnetnz.org/vascular/urticarial-vasculitis.html

In both of these disorders, antihistamines alone are rarely effective as a treatment.  Personally, I'm also taking Singulair and Gastrocrom.  I find H1/H2 antihistamines useful for the relief of certain symptoms (heartburn, nausea, dizziness, headaches, etc...), but the other two drugs make me feel almost normal again.  

Dr. Castells is definitely an excellent person to see... I'm so glad that you already have an appointment set up!  I saw her in June and she also sent me to see Dr. Greenberger, one of the gastroenterologists.  With autoimmune disorders there are all kinds of treatment options beyond those used in SM... plaquenil, dapsone, cyclosporine, Rituxan, etc...  In your journey so far have you seen a rheumatologist?  How about a hematologist?  Have you had the antibody tests for lupus?

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Reply #19 - 08/21/11 at 08:05:08
 
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I have been around the block as far as doctors go, many rhemuy's, that only look for MCTD...hematologist waste of my time and I am hoping I do not see Greenburger, personal reasons.

Plaquinil, steroids have not help me and have been on some extreme immodualting therapies (IVIg, PE made symptoms worse) but not chemo as most do not have the guts to try it and since a diagnosis is elusive, well.

As far as CU I will ask Castells if she will do an ASST ...as and far as urticarial vasculitis not sure it lies there as some of the treatments I have had should have worked and I think I would have more damage to my organs by now, I am not sure.  I had a basement cell membrane test and figured that should have detected some form of this, no?

The doctors have not identified any mixed connective tissue disease such as lupus etc.....I am not so sure it lies there becuase of such a high ANA, maybe maybe not.
Although I do have some black spots on my legs they are not numerous but will ask. I hope she knows about urticarial vasculitis more so than the other numerous docs I have seen or at least will try something different...Like I said the most puzzling aspect aspect of this is the numerous mast cells in my conjunctiva.

I am hoping Castells will pull no punches and I have a friend that knows her well and will help me get my questions to her before my appt and will interceed on my behalf.....been to long of a road.   It is an ongoing saga and most docs just give me a script of revolving door.


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Reply #20 - 08/21/11 at 17:05:13
 
Hi Avenger,

  So glad you're going to be seeing Dr. Castells.  Hope it gives you some answers.  This sounds more complicated than the usual mast cell disorder.  Be sure to request any tests you want to have, as well as doing the one Dr. Castells suggests.  Peace of mind is worth a lot.

  I'm not surprised that the IgG increased symptoms.  The side effects are often similar to the symptoms of mast cell disorders, including flushing, heat, etc.

  You didn't mention whether anyone has treated your hypothyroidism.  There are a number of people with mast cell disorders who also have Hashimoto's Thyroiditis.  Are you taking a thyroid replacement?

  Have you tried a low histamine diet?  It can be very helpful and might relieve some symptoms.  I found it took a while for gastrocrom to begin to work, but it has now.  Probiotics seem to make a huge difference as well as l-glutamine.

  I agree with Starflower that you are probably under-medicated.  I take both Allegra and Zyrtec (on opposite ends of the day) as well as Zantac and Pepcid (same times as H1s).  Singulair didn't help me, but I know it does help her and others.

  Good luck with your visit.  I know it seems like a long time from now, but at least there will be some more answers soon!  I won't go into it here but have felt the sting of useless doctors many times.  It took me 16 years to get diagnosed!
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Reply #21 - 08/22/11 at 06:20:33
 
You all have been very kind and yes probably a bit more complicated than mast cell.  I do have hashimoto and take a med for it, there was a bit of relief but not much. A doctor referrred me to Castells is at Mass General and I think they all share same info so she should have it or accesses to it I would think if not I will give her the release as there is allot of it.  As far as testing we will see what she orders I have had allot but never been to an oncologist, maybe Dana Faber I would mention as carcinoids I gather can be tricky and depending on their location your body may or may not excrete enough seratonin to be detectable.....not 100% sure and did at one time have a mild uptake above left adrenal but endo doc at Lahey thought it was nothing.  Maybe I will have that rechecked as he didn't even test me for thyroid antibodies just normal hormone levels so it maybe wise to mention to her.


I do not doubt I am under medicated but with what is the question, one doc mentioned rituxamab but this would require a doc with a different out look than most at Boston, but we will see as it has been mentioned.  We have a hospital here in RI what is Women's and Infant's it is basically where children are born.  One day they had a commerical on the TV mentioning how they are familar with various diseases such as autoimmune because they are more associated with women then men.  Made sense and I may not rule them out as an option.  

Low histamine diet...I am not sold yet about this mast cell thing and will wait to see what she has to say.  At times watermelon will set me off and I do not think watermelon is high in histamine, my triggers are not what I would think and I am not sure what is a trigger or not...sometimes maybe chocolate but most times not....not really sure, I eat fish...I do not doubt there is a relation with my gut but how and what has been a question.  I had at one time terrible gallbladder pain it was functioning at 94% via a hida scan but pain was awful, when it was removed it just doubled my symptoms and I learned later my ANA was elevated and thought they should have looked more into that rather than removal but it's over. Alchohol does set my eyes aflame,brain I never had the reaction to it like I do now.  Why I wonder is mast cell is secondary disorder..and hope she can help firgure it out.

I sure would like a glass or two of capt morgan would at times be what I want and it is like Dean Martin said "I feel sorry for the people that don't drink, because when they wake up in the morning it is the best they are going to fell all day"    Roll Eyes

Does anyone know what a FCe receptor blood test is and it's relation to mast cells?


quote....by rudyard kipling  

so I'll see em' later on
in the place where he is gone'
where it's always double drill and no canteen
e'll be squatin' on the coals, given drink to them poor souls
and I'll get a swig in hell from gunga din... Grin

Thanks for the info and encouragement
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Reply #22 - 08/22/11 at 06:54:33
 
  It might be a good idea to gather all your record, test, studies, etc., and make sure Dr. Castells' office has them before your appontment.  You may already know that some docs and facilities are better than others in sharing information.

  One thing I learned about Hashimoto's is that I feel better when I take the maximum dose to put my tests t the far end of the normal range.  When they had me in the middle of normal, I still had a lot of symptoms.  With the increased dose, I feel much better, especially my energy level.  Ojf course, that might not be true for others.
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Reply #23 - 08/22/11 at 10:24:02
 
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I am not sure what you mean when you say put your test hashimoto, to the far end of the normal range....would you mind explaining....
my hormones are within "normal limits" so I am confused...
I am on 75mcg currently but like I said not sure what you mean

I am kind of thinking the info from Mass General would have been sent to B&W of they are on a similar system

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Reply #24 - 08/22/11 at 13:56:28
 
(Hi - Mass General and Brigham and Women's are all part of Partner's health care.  My doctor's at BW can see my records from Mass General as well as any other hospital that is part of Partner's.  
Partner's has a wonderful online system called patient gateway.  I can view all my test results, make appointments, renew prescriptions etc.  Ask your doctor about getting it.
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Reply #25 - 08/27/11 at 05:17:17
 
The normal range for TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone)  is .3 to 3.  I feel better and have more energy on a dose of thyroid medicine that keeps my TSH closer to the lower end of that range.  

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Reply #26 - 08/27/11 at 08:29:56
 
Joan,

my thyroid hormones are normal what had been high exept total number for hashimoto is my rT3...as it has been elevated...

Castells is 6 days away hopefully she will be able to put some more to this..also my AK has given me this...

Prickly pear cactus is a rich source of flavanoids, including kaempferol, quercetin, kaempferol 3-methyl ether, quercetin 3-methyl ether, narcissin, dihydrokaempferol (aromadendrin, 6), dihydroquercetin, and eriodictyol. These flavanoids are responsible for its health enhancing benefits.

Traditional Mexican Indian tribes have used prickly pear cactus as a food item.


Modern science has discovered the many health benefits of prickly pear cactus.

Studies show that prickly pear cactus can protect the immune system and prevent oxidative stress by acting as a scavenger of free radicles. Its' antioxidant action will help protect cells and organs.

Ever her of this..I have asked about certain symptoms but he said with this is should help address more of the inflammation then he will address other issues, hope

I think my TSH maybe at higher range but normal...I will ask about this next time I see her...I am taking 75mcg

thanks nevermiss I did think they all shared the same info on the computer but to the extent some use it is a different matter Cheesy
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Reply #27 - 08/28/11 at 18:42:58
 
No, I haven't heard anything about cactus, but I do take quercetin and think it helps.  Hope your appointment goes well with Dr. Castells.
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Reply #28 - 09/04/11 at 11:57:42
 
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I respectfully indicated to her I am tired of being on meds that either inflame me or do nothing to help she said she understands that and we proceeded to do testing with no putting me on medications

First she wants to revisit my IgG and subclasses as they have been low in past due to subclasses, next allergy testing and then a urine test and a D816V - blood test also she is going to test my bodies ability to retain immunity as there was a question of that in the past I was given a shot of prevnar 13 to see how my body reacts to the vaccine now she is running a similar test to possible determine how my body will respond to [PPV] 23-valent) which I believe covers more diseases in the scope of immunity or something along this line ....Pneumococcal polysaccharides vaccine (PPSV) is used to prevent infection caused by pneumococcal bacteria. PPSV contains 23 of the most common types of pneumococcal bacteria...if I have a positive reation my body is responding if not why not I guess and one thinks of primary or secondary immune deficiency I guess maybe that is why IgG's were affected?  ,masto could be secondary..who know but I would sure like to know....

Just hope I have the will and we can view light at end of tunnel and it is not an oncoming frieght train Lips Sealed

the prickly pear catus - I am at a dose of 4 drops per day at 102 times strength.....I think I maybe wrong I will be working up to 6-8 times that much
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