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New here - Gastrocrom tolerance issues
01/27/11 at 05:00:50
 
It's exciting to see this forum and to find others finding solutions to their mast cell issues!

My mast cell "stuff" started after being stung by a wasp in Sept 2006 and having a terrible reaction. I didn't take the wasp sting as seriously as I should have since I had merely localized hives/swelling. I didn't see my allergist, and just treated it topically. By December 2006, I had terrible stomach pains and diarrhea and got diagnosed with H Pylori.

Through the last several years, I've been diagnosed as having Bile Reflux (no gallbladder - but still put on 2-250mg Ursodiol daily for this) and some type of Mast Cell disorder.

I don't have systemic mastocytosis (per triptase test), but more likely a mast cell enterocolitis according to one GI doc I saw. I've taken Gastrocrom on an off for the last few years, but I don't seem to tolerate it well.

I have intestinal manifestations from the mast cell disorder (urgent bowel movements) and also skin manifestations - pimply hives on my neck and face. The Gastrocrom resolves the intestinal issues, but makes the pimply hives worse! And I'm not taking near the recommended dose of 2-100ml vials 4x per day. I take a little less than 1-100ml vial broken up into 3 doses per day. If I take more, I have horrible nausea and diarrhea.

I'm also taking 1/2 a Zyrtec once per day - can't take a whole one because of dry climate in Colorado during the winter. In the spring and summer, I can take a whole one.

I don't tolerate Zantac but for short term uses of maybe a week. Then my stomach starts to hurt and I get diarrhea again.  Undecided

I'm seeing Dr Miner in OK City now (travel down there every 6 months or so) who is trying to get to the bottom of all these reactions and that I don't tolerate medicines well and ALSO that I'm only able to eat a very limited diet of 4 foods (chicken, turkey, potato, broccoli).

Anyone have any ideas?

Nicole
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Re: New here - Gastrocrom tolerance issues
Reply #1 - 01/28/11 at 09:20:25
 
Hi Nicole and welcome,

I cannot help you much - but just wanted to say I am on a very limited diet too and it sucks. I am forever terrified that one of my foods is going to get strick off the list.

How do you find Dr Miner - i ask because though i am from the UK I am thinking of trying to get him to give me a consult over the phone. I am intolerant to a lot of food and lots of drugs like you. In fact i ahve not been able to tolerate a new drug for the last four months.

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Reply #2 - 01/29/11 at 08:49:45
 
Dr. Philip Miner is in Oklahoma City, OK at the Oklahoma Foundation for Digestive Research. He is the President and Medical Director. His office telephone number is 405-271-4644.

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Reply #3 - 01/29/11 at 11:38:07
 
I was diagnosed almost 2 months ago with masto enterocolitis, which I think I've had for years. I was misdiagnosed with Celiac disease 4 years ago but am still on a gluten free diet due to many food allergies, including gluten. My diet to is very restrictive and it's very difficult when I travel. I'm currently taking Singulair, Allegra, Pepcid, Prilosec, Gastrocrom, Zolair, Zopenex. (Way to many meds). But I do think they are helping. My main issue is finding exactly what I can eat and drink besides chicken, rice, fish and fresh vegetables. I have a GI doctor, hematologist and allergist/hematologist trying to help me with my regimen for this very reactive disease. Thank goodness I do not have systemic masto yet. All my biopsies got sent back to Boston to Dr. Akin, so I am waiting for his results. I may go back east to see him and the GI specialist this spring to get another opinion. I have a appointment to see a dietician soon which will hopefully be helpful as I want to make sure and get the right amount of nutrients. Has anyone else seen a GI specialist in Boston who works with Dr. Akin?
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Reply #4 - 01/29/11 at 11:42:19
 
There is at least one GI specialist at Brigham & Women's... Dr. Greenberger.  Brita (nycpots) is going to see him next month.

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Reply #5 - 01/30/11 at 04:48:43
 
Hi Barbara,

I am heading to see Dr. Castells and Dr. Greenberger (GI Doctor who works with Dr. Castells and Dr. Akin ) on Feb. 11th. I would definitely urge you - if you go East - to see  an allergist (Akin or Castells) with the GI Doctor, if you want to see the GI guy, as I'm still trying to learn if they are truly in lock-step or if they might have slightly different opinions which would be helpful to hear. (For example, Dr. Greenberger - via phone - put me on low-dose aspirin therapy that I'm not entirely sure is warranted as a lot of folks here have agreed so I'm considering stopping until my appt and am going to discuss with Dr. Castells.).

I, too, have tons of GI issues (last night was doubled over in cramps from eating some of my 'safe foods') and although the H1/H2 blockers are certainly helping along with the Gastrocrom (which is definitely doing some good things), I think for some of us it will always be frustrating 'adventure' on the food front as even our 'safe foods' will sometimes cause rxns as it seems like the mere activation of our digestive systems can sometimes cause problems. However, I also believe that if we can somehow find our optimal mix of H1/H2 blockers and mast cell stabilizers, we can get MUCH better on that front. I am still searching for the right combination. It seems to me like you are very undermedicated if your problem is primarily mast cells and if you can, you should keep trying to experiment with different H1 / H2 blockers and Gastrocrom as some of the side effects wear off over time (however, if your situation is further complicated by another coexistent condition, you may have unique issues).

Also, outside of the US there is a mast cells stabilizer called "Ketotifen" that you can get via Canada. For folks who are either not tolerant of Gasatrocrom or for whom it's not doing enough (or for those who live outside the US), it can be a good option and the Brigham & Women's folks have experience with it.....If you can, i think it would definitely be worth a trip to Boston OR there is a Dr. Catherine Weiler at Mayo who many have had good experiences with (she works with Dr. Butterfield)....

I will learn more in a couple of weeks and will definitely post here re: what I learn from both Dr. Castells as well as Dr. Greenberger......if i can help in the interim, please let me know!

All the best,

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Nicole! You are seeing the Doc that I hope to get to somehow someday. I really think you are seeing the top doc as far as your symptoms go. I just saw him speak at the most recent TMS convention. In fact I've recommended others with seriously limited food/ and massive gastrointestinal issues go see. Many aren't  familiar with him but he's at least if not more familiar with limited food/ eosinophillic/mast cell related gastrointestinal issues. He was having tissue biopsies stained for mast cells way back and submitting papers, the field would reject then he'd re submit it related under IBS and theyd publish it. He's truly investigative and thats what you need. The Boston group is thetop of the field,the treatment and diagnosis criteria and most of the populations diagnosis would not exist without them, that is where I believed I should go,  but they are still in the "allergic" field primarily,  when it comes to my specific severe gastrointestinal issues, along with allergy/intolerance I'm no longer confident. Dr Miner said it best, with a true food allergy you see an allergist, are told to avoid it and carry and epi and thats it, problem solved, with food  sensitivity /intolerances your symptoms send you to the gastroenterologist  and are plaguing, inconsistent, and take detective work. Dr Miner is on the TMS physician board, and is very competent to treat a mast cell patient with a slew of other involvement.  I'd keep going to him, continually with more information you've worked on. And Yes the limited foods are so frustrating!!! It seems all I've done is limit another and another. Re-incorporating something I took out never has been successful. I prove myself right every so often then will "try" again and my DH will say didn't you tell me to never let you test eggs again? Brita is right there are days our "safe foods" are not safe. Our systems are just overburdened, on certain days, I think it's called the penultimate meal, ( Lisa calls it the bucket theory and it makes total sense) Dr Miner gets all of this. If any of you are curious get the TMS conference DVD for 2010 and watch his 1 hr presentation. He understands Mastocytosis. Just be aware some of the other speakers really made me want to go and bang my head on a wall. Dr Castells, Theo were marvelous as always, I wish we could have heard more from them and Dr Miner. If I did not properly credit the Bucket theory which I swear is Lisa's let me know! Don't want to give the wrong person credit Cheesy I know she's explained it to many of us patiently!
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Re: New here - Gastrocrom tolerance issues
Reply #7 - 01/30/11 at 09:55:13
 
Nicole, I wanted to add, just keep at testing foods, hopefully you will find some you will tolerate. Varieties/brands make a huge difference, such as a potato, I can have a true Idaho type of spud, but not a butter potato, or butter red, but a normal red, and occasionally one of those will bug me. Same with beef, certain cuts, certain brands, same with rice, there are hundreds of different rices out there. Arborio is one I do well with. Then with the few foods you do tolerate, try as best as you can to rotate them. Have you tried teff? Pure maple syrup? I've got a recipe on the old forum for teff scones, in it there are only a few ingredients, I also have a recipe for my own baking powder. Every patient is different, Dr Miner speaks of this so a lot of the investigative work is done by you. It's slow and tedious! Millet is one I'm on the fence about right now. But if I can get one meal in my system that is different than the usual crud going through it, it's a break on my intestinal tract!
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Reply #8 - 02/01/11 at 10:40:55
 
Do any of you know if Dr Miner does phone consults?

Thank you Sandi for explaining how he works. I wish he came to England!

Sandi - you put very eloquently the problems I have with food. I could cope so much better if I didn't have the food thing. It is a constant battle to eat enough calories every day and most days i fail.
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Reply #9 - 02/01/11 at 15:14:06
 
I have had so much good luck with supplements.  First of all, I take bromelain 30 minutes before a meal that contains protein or fat.  I was taking 2/day, but now I'm only taking one (before dinner).  Then I take 500 mg. l-glutamine, twice/day (must be exactly l-glutamine, as there are some sound alike other supplements that won't work).  I was taking a calcium supplement that had too much magnesium, so I switched to one with a better calcium/mag ratio.  The best thing is "Align" or "PB-8."  Both are probiotics.  I took one Align or 2 PB-8/day.  I stayed strictly on the low histamine diet.  

After about 4 weeks on these things, I noticed a huge change.  The severe cramping stopped except for an occasional problem, I can have a few forbidden foods every now and then.  Of course everyone's different and should check with a doc before starting supplements, but hope you find something that will help.
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