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Trying To Take All the Antihistamines - I'm Failing
03/24/13 at 10:09:45
 
I am a patient of Dr. Afrin.  I am so grateful for his understanding of my condition.

I feel like a failure of a patient, though.  Every time I try to take the antihistamines he recommends, I feel so tired and dead.  Yet, this is his recommendation.  See below:

hydroxyzine HCL 25 MG 2 X/day (H1 blocker)
loraditine (Claritin) 10 MG 2 X/day (H1 blocker)
ranitidine (Zantac) 150 MG 2 X/day (H2 blocker)

I am also on Singulair 10 MG 1 X/day.

I keep telling myself to stick with this, but I feel so dead.  The doctor did say that after I am on this for a while (I am assuming about 2 weeks), I can start decreasing the amount of Hydroxyzine HCL.  But he did not want me to discontinue it right now. Too many changes at once is too confusing.

He wanted nothing changed in my current regiment.  He only wanted to add more antihistamines to what I am currently taking.

I told him that I wanted to try an alternative to the Hydroxyzine HCL because of the side effects....even though this pill is very helpful for my interstitial cystitis. That is why he added additional antihistamines.

Has anyone else had to go through feeling "dead" from the medication before adjusting?  I hate feeling like this, but I want to follow his instructions.
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Reply #1 - 03/24/13 at 10:26:08
 
If I were taking hydroxyzine even once a day, I would be feeling dead, too! My doc is Dr. Akin, the Boston specialist, and he has me take that for emergency (as in when my symptoms are heading toward anaphylaxis). I don't know your symptoms, but the typical beginning meds are:

Zantac twice a day (150 mg or 300 mg each time)
Allegra (180 mg) in morning
Zyrtec 10 mg in early evening.
Maybe singulair (10 mg) once a day

Perhaps you could try that. That is what I was originally put on, and I still take it. It works very nicely for me. Changing one's diet is required in order to control mast cell symptoms., For example, shellfish and alcohol are 2 things that seem to bother nearly all mast cell people. So, those you should probably avoid. Otherwise, keep a food diary and see what your safe foods are and what bother you. For example, I cannot eat garlic or onions. I can't even smell them without symptoms starting up. So, obviously I avoid those like the plague.

The hydroxyzine is what is making you so tired. I used to take a much weaker dose than you and I would honestly fall asleep in the middle of a sentence while talking to my husband! It was a godsend when I switched to the combo I listed above.
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Reply #2 - 03/24/13 at 10:27:45
 
I should have mentioned that unless there is a reason that you cannot take Zyrtec and allegra, those are much better than Claritin. Claritin is practically worthless in helping mast cell people. It is a much older drug and just doesn't work as well as the newer ones.
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Reply #3 - 03/24/13 at 12:37:06
 
Deborah,

Thanks for the reply.  This is getting too difficult for me.  I had been taking Xyzal in the AM and then the Hydroxyzine HCL (50 MG) at night, but I thought that the Xyzal was making me tired since it had been started more recently than the Hydroxyzine.

Anyhow, I'll see.

I have no idea what I will do, but I did notice that Dr. Afrin definitely wanted me to take antihistamines 2 times per day at least.

Maybe I should have stuck with the Xyzal.  I had discontinued it because I had no clue if it was doing anything?  That's why Dr. Afrin started me on the Claritin----probably because it was cheaper.  He goes with the cheaper meds first.

Well, I may not last another day like this.  I have no idea what will happen, but something has to.
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Reply #4 - 03/24/13 at 13:43:18
 
Futurehope,
    I am hoping to get a referral to Dr Afrin soon. I hope he will see me, he is in-network with my insurance.

The allergist who started the mast cell testing. Started me with Allegra 360mg and Zantac 300mg each morning. After 6 weeks, he added another Allegra 180mg and singulair 10mg at 4:30 because I was in for follow scratching and short of breath (he noticed, I didn't). 3 weeks later added gastrocrom because I still couldn't eat without issues.  Smiley
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Reply #5 - 03/24/13 at 14:54:22
 
DavinaRN,

Doesn't that much Allegra cause you to be dried out to the point of discomfort?

From years ago, I remember Allegra really drying me out.
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Reply #6 - 03/24/13 at 15:49:46
 
Dr. Afrin seems to like starting people on Claritin because it's the least likely to be harmful.  But, it's also less likely to work.  I've also heard that hydroxyzine is the best for IC.

I would give this regimen another week if you can and see if the symptoms let up.  I feel that working up on meds is helpful for some people, that is, not starting at a full dose and adding a little more each day.  If you can't stand another day, I would suggest calling his office and telling him what the problems are.  Maybe if he realizes it's intolerable, he'll try a different regimen.
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Reply #7 - 03/26/13 at 05:25:56
 
Dr. Afrin does like to start you on meds that are less likely to have side effects and drug interactions and ones that are less expensive, BUT he also wants you to have what works for you.  He suggested I go with Claritin, but I had already found it did nothing for me, so I'm using Allegra (180mg three times a day...and it doesn't dry me out at all) since it helped more.

If you're just not able to cope, contact his nurse to get a message to him and ask him if you can change things up sooner.  It's one thing to try to stick it out and maintain a prescribed regimen, it's another thing to be completely miserable.

Oh, and as for "acclimatizing" to the sedating effects of antihistamines, I did find that I was able to take a higher dose of Zyrtec after taking a small dose for awhile, but I was much happier cutting out the Zyrtec altogether and just using Allegra as my only H1.  (Dr. Afrin actually recommended only using one H1 rather than two, as many people on here take, because he said it made it easier to manage your increasing list of drugs.)

I can sympathize with the time it takes to go through all of this, as you really do have to isolate each med change so that you can tell how it affects you.  I spent months and months just trying to go through each of the meds I was already on and determining if I could eliminate any of them (I got rid of a lot of them!).  I'm now tapering up on aspirin, and trying to find a balance between it helping (it actually does seem to help some) and the bruising caused by the blood thinning properties.
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Reply #8 - 03/26/13 at 05:48:18
 
I appreciate all your input.  I have not been very methodical with all this.

Last Friday I added an H1 (Claritin 2X/day) and Zantac 2X/day.  I was already on Hydroxyzine HCL 2 X/day.

So, I do not know exactly which med is doing what.

If I do not hear from the nurse or him, I may decide to continue the new H1 and H2 two times per day, but at half the dose of each.  I don't know.

I'm still plowing through, though I was praying before going out driving today that my anxiety, dizziness and drowsiness would not kill me or anybody else.  I made it to my dentist and back, and now that some time has passed since the dosing, I do not feel as poorly.

I guess I cannot determine how much discomfort I should put up with and for how long, before determining that it is not for me?
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Reply #9 - 03/31/13 at 10:09:57
 
DeborahW, Founder wrote on 03/24/13 at 10:27:45:
I should have mentioned that unless there is a reason that you cannot take Zyrtec and allegra, those are much better than Claritin. Claritin is practically worthless in helping mast cell people. It is a much older drug and just doesn't work as well as the newer ones.


Does Allegra require a prescription?
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Reply #10 - 03/31/13 at 13:13:49
 
I don't think  Allegra requires a prescription, though at the doses mast cell people take them, it may be possible to get a prescription as it may be cheaper that way.

Anyone else know if Allegra is a script?
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Reply #11 - 03/31/13 at 14:16:13
 
Allegra is OTC now in the US.  You can get brand name, but of course the generic (fexofenadine) is cheaper.  

I imagine you could get a prescription for it, but your insurance might not pay... or the co-pay might be more than you would pay OTC.  I buy all of my antihistamines in bulk on the Internet.

BTW... I keep a printed list of all my medications and supplements in my "kit" when I leave the house.  The list is pretty long, but nobody minds when they can just make a photocopy!

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