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Anaphylaxis required for diagnosis?
Reply #15 - 10/27/12 at 03:10:52
 
There is too much judgment going on here, and I really don't approve of it. As this is a forum, everyone is entitled to share their opinion. Everyone reading needs to understand that this is their opinion. What you choose to do with that opinion is your choice.

Now, I am not going to defend Dr. L or defend Jewels. However, it appears that everyone is getting away from the point. Jewels stated that she felt that she had no testing done at her appointment and that she does not have anaphylaxis. We don't know if she doesn't have anaphylaxis based on her opinion or the doctor's opinon.

What we can see is that she was told to go off of meds to do allergy testing. Do I personally agree with doing that? Absolutely not. My allergist told me that he would never have me do that due to possible dangerous reactions, and he tested me by drawing blood and doing blood tests.

We also hear that Jewels was told to begin allergy shots. Would I personally do that if I was having constant flushing? No way. To me flushing is indictating some sort of mast cell symptoms and my personal opinion is that allergy shots would make one worse, possibly permanently so.

I don't see why we are jumping to conclusions regarding that Jewels has been told she told she doesn't nave IA or MCAS. From what she reported, the only thing she mentions is that she doesn't have a mast cell disease. She doesn't say that the doctor specifically mentioned the other ones and it is not fair to the doctor to say that he must not be one to diagnose MCAS and only diagnoses IA instead. No one knows what labels and conditions he diagnoses, so let's not say that he isn't open minded because that isn't fair to him, especially in light that Jewels (the patient who saw him) doesn't say that.

So, the concern for Jewels is that she believes he told her she has no mast cell disease. What is her next move? Jewels, I think that since you are in NC, you are close to Dr. Afrin and you should go see him. It doesn't mean that you are ripping on Dr L to get a second opinion. In fact, all good doctors know that second opinions are important to patients and they don't take it personally. My doctor is Dr. Akin, but if I felt that Dr Castells knew more about MCAS/IA (I have IA), I wouldn't mind going to her and I am sure he wouldn't be insulted because I did so either.

On a side note, IA and MCAS are both the same mast cell disease but one is a more extreme version of the other. This comes from when I posed this question to Dr. Akin. I, myself, don't actually understand what that means entirely, but they are both mast cell disease and in the same "family" shall we say.

Lastly, discussion is not allowed to be a roast of Dr. L or Jewels. I believe what Jewels has written. I believe that perhaps there could be more to the story -- I know that my memory stinks and I could report something and unknowingly leave out part of the important details.

Jewels, should Dr. L want to add any information, he woud not be able to here because he can't talk about your case. If you would like to post that he is welcome to, then he could if he were interested. I can't have anyone doctor bashing and the doctor is stuck by not being able to explain things. I also won't have anyone patient bashing, so if anyone is about to start bashing Jewels, hold off because I won't allow it on the forum.

Jewels, I think it is good that you shared your experience, because people can decide for themselves what they choose to take from it. The purpose of this post, though, was not to discuss Dr. L (in fact she never mentioned his name until specifically asked) and to help Jewels find her next move and next doctor to see.
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Reply #16 - 10/28/12 at 04:22:04
 
Oh goodness, sorry I created all this! I want to start by saying that my mother and I have both very much been pleased with Dr. L. He's very young, but very kind and interested in helping. A scientist for sure. I like to think that if I end up with tests that can prove I have a mutation that Dr. L might be willing to treat me. It probably wouldn't be his cup of tea, but at least he knows SM and if the treatments are the same..... who knows. He's within an hour drive of my home and 40 minutes of work.

I am completely new to mast cell anything. I simply came upon Dr. Diana's info out of TX and decided I should look into it. Especially since I have severe asthma, terrible environmental allergies, autoimmune thyroid (new as of this week), autoimmune pituitary, celiac disease, and interstitial cystitis. For family history: My mother had endometriosis, my aunt sister and grandmother have had ovary cysts, and I kid you not - Every single female on my mother's side has had extensive medical issues mostly revolving around the endocrine system, heart, and colon. And we all have migraine headaches. We all pretty much seem to have a mystery illness and years and years later nobody has figured it out for any of us.  I feel that we likely all have Ehlers Danlos Syndrome. I know that myself, sister, and mother do. I know heart and colon issues come along with that, but something very serious is going wrong in my family and I am determined to figure out what it is. I am personally finding that I don't know my own symptoms anymore because I'm used to feeling this crappy all of the time. Feeling bad is my normal.

All of that aside, I was sure to let Dr. L know that I am mast cell ignorant. He acknowledges that some of my issues have been linked with mast cells, but to him I simply do not look the part of mast cell or ehlers danlos syndrome. I have learned why that is on both counts. He studied in the NIH and apparently SM is what they work with. He didn't seem interested in my flushing and was looking for my throat closing up. I did not know all of the symptoms of Anaphylaxis, but even if I had it wouldn't have mattered. My mother and I both discussed how oddly my blood pressure and pulse were acting as well as my body temperature at the last appointment. I do not have the symptoms he is looking for. My grandmother does, but not myself. He told me a few times that mast cell disorder is a very serious and severe illness and that people with it can almost die every day of their lives.

He also studied Marfan's. I am probably the farthest thing from a Marfan's look that there is. I am short (5'0")and chunky (overweight), I am not tall, skinny, lanky, and pale. My chest does not cave in. I am EDS - Hypermobility and he admits he is not familiar with that diag and does not intend to dispute my doctor's diagnosis or attempt to treat it. He has advised that I do not tell doctors that I have EDS because he has seen too many patients end up on narcotics that basically ruin their lives. I can appreciate his trying to save me from that. My impression though is that he does not believe I have EDS because his idea of EDS is again very severe extreme illness. I have the least severe variation of EDS that exists.

Dr. L does not appear to believe there is more than one mast cell disorder. Now that I know more about this I have taken the steps to get as much testing completed as I can and will then attempt to get an appointment with Dr. Afrin. He's close and seems to be very interested in finding an answer. I would love to find that I do not have a mast cell illness, but I want to be sure one way or the other. If I do not, then I keep searching for whatever it is that is destroying our bodies.

As far as testing goes, Dr. L reviewed previous testing from my other doctors (allergy skin, allergy blood) and performed his own environmental allergy test. His team seemed to be as shocked by my allergy skin testing as the previous allergy team that tested me a few years ago. I continued reacting so much that they did a recount on some of the spots. 6 days later I still have one reactive spot on my back from the skin test. I wish I knew which one it was. Whatever it is, I need to avoid it at all costs. He said he feels no need to continue further testing at this time. I am not one to fight or argue with doctors, so I will have the testing performed elsewhere and if I find something he might acknowledge I may contact him in the future.
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Reply #17 - 10/28/12 at 09:25:17
 
Jewels,

  These things happen on the forum from time to time.  It's not an easy way to communicate, and sometimes we think we know what's going on, but really don't have enough information to come to an accurate conclusion.  Luckily, we have a forum founder/administrator who keeps the goals of the forum at the forefront and moderates when something controversial comes up.  The thing we all have in common is wanting, first and foremost, to help patients find out what's going on in their bodies and to get the best available treatment.

  What you've just experienced is not uncommon among mast cell patients (or other patients with possible rare conditions).  MCAS is still a controversial diagnosis in the eyes of most doctors.  

  Although at this point there's no way to tell whether his assessment is accurate in your case, you have doubts, and that's why you need to continue searching.  You'll know when you feel satisfied that MC disease is definitively ruled in or out.  First, all the conditions that can cause similar symptoms must be eliminated.  You have some signs that could point to a mast cell disorder, and others that may not be related.  Often MC patients have other immune or auto-immune conditions, but they're not necessarily related to MC disease.

  I believe your plan is a good one, to do preliminary testing and to see Dr. Afrin.  Dr. Afrin will be a good choice, because he's currently researching markers that can be used to definitively diagnosis MCAS.  He will also test for SM.  If you haven't already checked with his office, do ask what testing they like to have in advance.  Some doctors prefer to have some tests done at their own facilities, so you wouldn't want to have to repeat them.  Most MC docs do have some they prefer to be done ahead of an appointment.

  Regarding your allergy testing, you have a right to the results of your skin and blood tests.  It's very important to get those so, as you said, you can avoid the things that caused reactions.  You might also look into a low histamine diet to see if any foods are triggering you.  The URL is posted on this forum for the Chronic Urticaria Society website that has a chart of low histamine foods and what to avoid.  For a lot of people, this is a good place to start to see if foods are triggering them.

  Good luck, and let us know how you're doing.  What you're trying to do for your whole family is very admirable!
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Reply #18 - 10/28/12 at 14:28:50
 
Jewels,
I have seen Dr Afrin twice and he diagnosed me with MCAS affter a local "expert" told me I didn't have a mast cell disorder after reviewing my low trypase and my skin biopsy.  

I first saw Dr Afrin in May and at that time, he didn't want any additional mediator testing done beforehand, as he preferred to run it in his own lab, where he had a better shot of ensuring the samples were kept chilled from collection through testing.  You may want to call and see if that changed at all.  

Feel free to send me a PM if you have any specific questions reagrding my experience.

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Reply #19 - 10/29/12 at 02:24:56
 
I agree with Doozygirl. I have also heard that Dr. Afrin likes to have the testing done in his own labs to ensure proper results.
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Reply #20 - 10/30/12 at 04:02:04
 
Thank you guys so much!  My family doctor's office is in the process of sending my referral and medical records to Dr. Afrin and I am in the process of contacting all of the specialists I have seen to send my records. My family doctor appeared to be overwhelmed by the information I provided her today, but willing to treat me if she needs to. I have talked to Dr. L's office today and they believe that if I can find proof of a mast cell mutation that he will be willing to work with Dr. Afrin to treat me.
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Reply #21 - 10/30/12 at 11:23:25
 
MY last post was forgotten Sad I wrote but then somehow someone wrote right after me and I never had my question answered but it goes along with what Jewles just wrote I did write that I am sorry I have not been on the forum as I needed time to regroup and rethink what I am talking and to try and think positivly this group is wonderful and a world of knowledge One of the things I would like to address is what is meant by a mutation basically all of my testing came back negitive based only on my symptoms I was dx with a mcad by two mast cell Dr's I had dermographism and pots maybe that was something that is common to mcad but I was told in mcad you do not anywhere see any increase in mast cells and its strickly dx on your symptoms anyway about a month ago I recieved back my GI bx from two years ago that was retested for mast cells what I was told was that I had over 80 mast cells in my colon and it was still producing tryptase and that is very abnormal so that basically confirms my disease but here is the but why was I told that in mcad you should not see any increase in mast cells anywhere if you have MCAD this can get very confusing when you see more than one Dr. b/c they can tell you such different things I am now being refered to a gentic MD for more testing for another possible disorder UGH on the bright side I guess its bright not really I broke down and cried I was approved for disability today it was a happy but sad day for me and hubby, my thoughts are I have done all that I was told to do and am I better yes but can I function well no ok that is my two cents happy to be back Smiley
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Reply #22 - 10/30/12 at 16:30:16
 
Hi Goldie,

Glad you're back, but sorry this has been a confusing process for you!  MCAD is an umbrella term, and it can include people with abnormal test results and those with symptoms, but normal tests.

The important thing now is that you're being tested and getting some answers.  That will lead to tweaking your meds so that you can feel better.  If you don't mind saying, who are the mast cell doctors that you've seen and where are they?

Hope getting to the bottom of this will give you some peace of mind.
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