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Spindle Pattern ANA and Mast Cell Activation Disorder
01/11/12 at 06:55:53
 
I have been trying to figure out what is wrong with me for a long time.  I'm 51 year old female and have always had a low threshold for discomfort like heat, sun, exerting myself, noise blah, blah, blah.  I could never stand the summer or the beach and always felt different than other people.  I always went under the assumption that I had chronic fatibue syndrome because of the exhaustion I feel every minute of the day.  I also am a redhead so I thought the heat intolerance and itchy skin was because I was so fair.  I also hate mosquitoes - I am eaten alive if I only step out of my house and go to the car (or is it that I react so horribly that I think I've been eaten alive).  

This past year starting Jan. 2011 I had excruciating back pain and felt like my legs didn't work anymore (like MS or something) and terrible sacrilliac joint pain.  Went to orthopedist and had scan of back and was  told it was herniated disc l3,l4.  okay figured that out.

Next was couldn't swallow, trouble breathing, mouth ulcers, blisters on lips, sore throats all the time, anaphalaxix type reaction to foods I normally would eat, shampoo, water?  and the worst is the fatigue.  I was going insane.  Allergest diagnosed chronic urticaria (autoimmune).  Allergy to birch, ragweed, grasses with oral allergy syndrome to boot.  

I feel I am much sicker than Chronic Urticaria.

Symptoms:

Allergies above
Headaches
Constipation
GERD
Mitral Valve Prolapse
5 miscarriages (4 lovely children now)  never diagnosed with any     problem for this.  It took 6 years to have 1st child.  
Dizziness
Brain salad (diagnosed ADHD and told this is why I'm tired)
Blood pressure is high in the last year since I've been flushing so much and I do take stimulants.
Flushing
Nausea

I went for a tryptase test today.  

Recent blood test showed positive ANA 1:1260 and 3 weeks later 1:640 and Homogeneous Pattern and then unusual SPINDLE Pattern detected.  4 doctors told me they don't know what spindle pattern means.  Also I had Lyme Dis. Test Elisa band P66 present abnormal and Western Blot band P23 present Abnormal.  Do I go to a Lyme Literate Doctor?

Could spindle shape mast cells be what this means?  I am so frustrated that I can't get a straight answer and have felt so sick for so long.

I've seen neurologist CAT scan fine
Gastroenterologist GERD
Had endoscopy and colonoscopy last week.  All clear
Rheumotologist Neg. to SLE, Sjogren's, Rheum.  all of them
Primary Card Dr.
Neuropsychiatrist you might have ADHD from your symptoms
Orthopedist
Allergist - CU

Thanks for listening.

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Re: Spindle Pattern ANA and Mast Cell Activation Disorder
Reply #1 - 01/11/12 at 07:38:09
 
I can only tell you about me....I started out with UP...lots of spots but as years have gone on I now have SM internal masto which causes me lots of the problems you list here
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Reply #2 - 01/11/12 at 08:44:52
 
Please read this paper: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1501099/

I also have Mitral Valve Prolapse. We tend to have Hyperadrenergic POTS. This type of POTS is associated with Mast Cells problems, and high BP. You may not fit, but if you do, that paper will answer many questions for you. Most of your symptoms fit!

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Reply #3 - 01/11/12 at 18:08:52
 
It will be important to see what your serum tryptase shows.

Did they exclude other causes of flushing like carcinoid and pheo?
I agree with gail, the MVP can go with EDS or other connective tissue disorders, do you have joint hypermobility?

Have you ever tried antihistamines? What medications are you on?

I don't think spindle pattern ANA and spindle shaped mast cells are related, but it would be a good question for a mast cell disease expert. I think the ANA is moreso a marker of autoimmunity and might suggest there's an autoimmune component to some of your symptoms
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I know what you mean about always feeling different, having heat and exercise intolerance and OAS. Those were my only issues until anaphylaxis 8 months ago

Hang in there. Everyone here will try to help!
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Reply #4 - 01/11/12 at 18:30:55
 
I forgot to add that I have had a weakly positive ANA result as well, but mine was a speckled pattern. Several people have mentioned having the same sort of results.
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Reply #5 - 01/12/12 at 01:51:36
 
Thank you all for your input.  POTS is definitely the next direction to go.
I was sick with mono. at 14-15, some 35 years ago and have been basically laying prone since.  I couldn't hold my head up in high school, college photos all show me in bed, every boat ride, bus ride, train ride, vacation I am asleep.  When I worked in advertising I would go out to my car a Cavailier station wagon and go to sleep, blankets, pillows and all.  Co-workers would come knock on the window to get me.  It's not normal.  No energy.  

I do get the mottling of the skin on my legs like I saw in POTS and Rheum., Primary Care Dr., Allergist look at it as okay because I'm a redhead.  The mottling isn't always there.  I have to keep track if it's when I've been on my feet.

I also get short of breath or need to take deep breath when I go shopping.  My brother thinks its fluorescent lights that does it.  Is it smells or just that I'm on my feet.

I have not been checked for carcinoid per say but have been to a lot of specialists like Endo., Gyno., Neuro.,  and have checked out okay.

No hypermobility.

I just started Singulair  and an inhaler (lung function test showed "some obstructive process" going on).  I don't even know what that means.  Asthma?  Allergies?

I've tried cimetidine and thought it brought on dermatomyositis but no doctor even knew what I was talking about (cimetidine coincidently is med. that can bring it on) but at the same time I took a muscle relaxant which is bad for masto patients.  

I've tried Xopenex (gave me sores in my mouth and more shortness of breath), Gastro Dr. gave me Nasonex (made me sick).


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Reply #6 - 01/12/12 at 07:31:30
 
Hi PJP,

Welcome to the group!

Perhaps you (or your doctor) are getting different test results confused... there's no such thing as a "spindle-shaped" ANA.  Here's the list of patterns:

- Rim
- Homogenous
- Speckled
- Nucleolar
- Diffuse
- Centromere

http://www.fpnotebook.com/rheum/lab/anstngptrn.htm

My pattern is "speckled," which is the most common and least suggestive of a specific illness.  (Although a positive result... 1:160 or higher... in the presence of suggestive symptoms... is a pretty sure sign that you have an autoimmune disorder).  In the last three years mine has been as high as 1:320 and as low as negative (less than 1:40).  There doesn't seem to be any connection to how bad I feel.

Like you, I have Chronic Autoimmune Urticaria, but my symptoms go WAY beyond urticaria.  The worst have been anaphylaxis, dizziness, abdominal pain, pregnancy loss, joint pain, fatigue, anxiety, dry everything (skin, eyes, mouth), unusual bleeding, and nausea/diarrhea.  99% of my tests are perfectly normal.  Most doctors think I'm a complete whacko Smiley  Thankfully, now that I've found a couple of good doctors, figured out my triggers, and determined the right doses/types of medications I am MUCH more stable and living a pretty normal life.

It sounds like you've already ruled out a lot of things (which is great).  Have you tried using antihistamines?  They're not a cure-all for me, but they do help a lot... that's a strong sign that you're dealing with a mast cell disorder.

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Re: Spindle Pattern ANA and Mast Cell Activation Disorder
Reply #7 - 01/12/12 at 08:35:02
 
Hi Starflower,

The way the LabCorp results are worded are:

ANA 1:1280
Homogeneous Pattern
 unusual SPINDLE Pattern detected

It was listed one below the other with SPINDLE capitalized.

What I've researched is Spindle Pattern can be found in SLE, Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and Connective Tissue disorders.

I was neg. for a Myositis panel, but my best friend had Polymyositis (my bro. calls it Polly Miley Cyrus) and she was neg. on CPK levels and it wasn't until she had muscle biopsy that it was detected.  Dermatomyositis has flushing, trouble swallowing....

The neuro said I had slight ulner nerve damage right arm (could this be spindle pattern detected) but he didn't know what spindle pattern meant either.  All the doctors just know the list you show.  

When I'm finally diagnosed I want it named Pamelitis.
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Reply #8 - 01/12/12 at 13:27:28
 
Pamelitis lol. I'm going to tell my sister with the same name that one as she also has MCAS

The spindle shaped mast cells is a term for bone marrow biopy or path specimen where they biopsy mast cells not from the ANA blood test.

Hope you find some stability and answers
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Reply #9 - 02/01/12 at 10:22:35
 
Just bringing this up again, wondering if anyone has found any new understanding of the spindle description  in ANA results. Camerons last tests had the same comment regarding his ANA, but I  havent been able to find any reference to this in literature about ANA.  I am waiting for a copy of the lab report and follow up tests, which I will have done soon. Our doctor is not a native English speaker and she had trouble explaining it to me in English, but I think what she said is that his ANA was not elevated, but the nuclei are spindle-shaped, does that make any sense to anyone? She said we can do further tests but she doesn't think we will find anything.  

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Reply #10 - 02/01/12 at 16:24:28
 
You know, with all of the issues you´ve got going on PJ I really think you´ve got a case of an autoimmune masto.   I really think you need to see an authority especially with this "spindle" shaped ANA result.    Masto does such weird stuff why couldn´t this be just one more weirdie it does???   I think this is something that you could write to Dr. Castells about and ask her opinion since she is an immunologist.   She may have heard of this spindle shape already.


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Reply #11 - 02/02/12 at 01:03:35
 
Thanks Lisa, I'm going to call today.  

And Ruth I'll let you know if I find anything out.
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Reply #12 - 02/02/12 at 08:20:47
 
Thanks Pamela, look forward to hearing how you get on with Dr Castells.

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Reply #13 - 03/13/12 at 18:46:41
 
I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY YOU MIGHT WANT TO GET A BONE MARROW DON ANS DOES YOU LEFT SIDE HURT FROM YOUR SPLEEN ,WHAT DOES YOUR CAT SCAN SAY ABOUT YOUR LIVER, OR KIDNEY DO THEY SHOW SHAEOWS IN THEM. AND DON'T FOR GET EVERYONE IS WRIGHT EVERYONE IS DIFFERANT , YOU DON'T LIKE THE SUN BUT I LOVE IT,BUT I GET COULD VERY EASY, AND I CAN NOT STAN THE SUN LIGHT IN MY EYES, AND WE ARE THE SAME IN WAYS, WE HURT ALL THE TIME AND WE ARE SICK OF HURTING AND BEING SICK ALL THE TIME, I TRULY KNOW WAY POPELE KILL THEM SELFS WHEN THEY ARE HURTING LIKE THIS, BUT HOPFULY YOU ARE STRONG AND WITH GODS HELP YOU CAN MAKE IT WITH ALL OF US HERE  GOOD LUCK

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