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Nearly Sure My Twin & I Have Mast Cell Issues
07/30/11 at 14:13:34
 
Hello Everyone,

    I’m so happy to have found this forum and this disease. It sounds weird, but for once in my life it’s nice to know what may be making me, my identical twin, and my mother sick. Ever since I can remember my twin, myself, and my mother have all suffered to differing degrees from the below list of symptoms.


Symptoms
-Low blood sugar/hypoglycemic, we have to eat every few hours or become dizzy and pass out
-Low blood pressure
-Veso vegal syncope/passing out- triggered by pain, stress, food, digestive pain, loud noise. large crowds, anger, excretion, standing up too fast, needles/blood drawing, raw meat (when we were little), fear, high temperatures, public speaking, pretty much anything upsetting or distressing, even just focusing on the idea of passing out makes me get woozy. Being near my sister when she passes out makes me pass out too
-Heart beat feels strange, too strong or too light,  or weird rhythm.
-Seizures- rarely the passing out is also accompanied by grand mal twitching seizures, though mostly for my sister and not myself
-Muscle cramps in all parts of the body often
-Aching feeling in our bones, especially legs
-Cysts in my legs during x-rays
-Muscle aches/leaden feeling as if I had always just come from the gym/working out... but I definitely don’t go to the gym/work out. The pain makes working in our bakery very difficult, as it requires a lot of physical labor. (I’ve been on a low histamine diet for the last 5 days and am now nearly pain free for the first time in years! Smiley Yay!)
-Constipation- sometimes for a week plus regardless of what was eaten
-Diarrhea- at least a third of every month regardless of what we eat
-Small colorless lumps on the back of our arms. They don’t itch
-Small red/orange spots all over our skin, ever so slightly raised, had it since we were very little and it’s gotten much worse after college
-Small sores on our scalps in addition to constantly oily itchy scalp/hair
-Constant mild tight/sore throat
-Constant stuffy nose/ears
-Runny nose
-Extreme exhaustion, once in a while under circumstances where I am fully rested I can barely walk 10 steps without needing to crash and fall asleep, despite being able to run 2 miles (a large distance/accomplishment as running usually triggers syncope) 3-4 days a week the week beforehand.
-Extreme migraines lasting week+ with light fuzzy auras and everything....
-Itchy stinging eyes
-Weird icy tingling numbness in our toes
-Legs often numb/asleep... thought this might be due to low blood pressure and an inability to force blood flow?
-Extreme bruising... my twin and I bruise easily and are often covered with them to the point that people ask us if people beat us. Blood tests never show anemia
-Constant heart wrenching nausea. One moment fine and the next laying on the floor feeling poisoned, wanting to vomit/die. The most extreme cases of this usually are only resolved once we pass out and wake back up. The minor cases of this happening  just require sitting down and waiting till they pass
-Weak nails and hair. They constantly break/white marks all over them
-Extreme dry skin despite being in Florida during July and using moisturizer
-Constant yeast infections, including colitis around the lips and throat infections
-Throbbing pain in my teeth, usually accompanied by a migraine
-Burning hot while sleeping. People have trouble sleeping next to us because we put off massive amounts of heat while we sleep, which seems to be counter intuitive as temperature should lower during sleep I believe
-Milk causes our mouths to go numb.
-I personally suffer from depression and suicidal PMDD when on birth control
-Nose bleeds constantly as children
-Constant heart burn and acidic burning sensation in our stomachs during early mornings
-Weak bones, I had a burst fracture in my lower back at age 21 and had to wear a back brace. My doctor told me it should be nearly impossible in a person my age to get a burst fracture unless someone had beat me with a baseball bat on purpose. All I did was fall on my behind while rollerblading... not even very hard. Oddly no one thought to have them test my bone density?
-Extreme joint pain... the pain level varies from day to day but I have a constant arthritic type of pain in all my joints. Also I’m extremely creaky and I can’t barely move from one position to another without my joints cracking. I sound like I’m 80... lol (again this has gone away mostly except for creakyness after a week on a low histamine diet!)
-Extreme sensitivity to alcohol... we get drunk really really fast and have a hang over for days afterwards
-Constant urination at least 10 times per day. At first I thought we might have diabetes
-Hair texture change, our hair changed texture at age 18 and became very thin and fine to the point that people comment on us losing our hair
-Constant thirst despite drinking water like a camel all day every day
-Hot flashes followed by chills
-Sneezing when exposed to sunlight or other bright lights
-Blisters on the inside of our mouths
-Recent scare with my throat nearly closing up while eating hot peppers (while trying a gluten/dairy free diet). I’ve always been fine eating those before, or at least not scared for my life, but now they make me swell up

     Every day things change...one symptom disappears and another shows up, or one problem’s severity worsens and another lessens. The level of pain is inconsistent from a day to day and moment to moment basis making us appear as illogical hypochondriacs to those around us.

     Only recently could I convince my father of how sick we are (our parents are divorced, we moved in with him later in life). I don’t complain/mention much about the pain or the blacking out to people, not even our father till now, as we’ve lived with is for so long that I thought it was just normal and that we were sickly. We had a general health work up done as children, but the doctors didn’t find anything, and from then on the excuse was that we were just delicate. So now that I’m actually thinking it may be a treatable disease people are skeptical, since we’ve just lived with it for so long. It also doesn’t help that our father has only once been physically present during a blacking out/seizure experience, so I can understand his skepticism.

    I’ve certainly noticed an increase in symptoms since college and reaching age 20 or so. My sister and I are now 24, and I’m so afraid of things getting worse, which seems to be happening with each passing months.

      We live in Gainesville, Florida, and I’m wondering where/who the nearest physician specializing in this area of medical research is. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated! We’re looking for the next step in finding out if a mast cell disorder is the cause of our problems. Thank you in advance! : )
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Reply #1 - 07/30/11 at 17:02:21
 
Hi Cbear!!
I live just outside of Gainesville... Youve said some things that make perfect sense with our disorder but some of those things could be any illness too..We want you to get a right diagnosis, to get the BEST treatment and feel better so I have some suggestions for you,.

For the moment I wouldnt worry about getting an expert DR on this--because the experts are so few they insist on having your medical case worked up more than you have right now before they will accept you as a patient. You need a good Family DR or GP and you need a list of tests done.. If the results fall into the range for this illness then I would start looking for an expert DR (I can help you with that when youre ready).

Until then, start getting tests done and see if any over the counter antihistamines help you.

here are some tests you need to have done;
(borrowed from Heather, thankyou!!)

STEP ONE: baseline tryptase
(GP, allergist)
Normal... go to step three
Abnormal... go to step two

STEP TWO: bone marrow biopsy plus testing for mutations, CBC
(mast cell researcher, hematologist if you absolutely can't travel)
Normal... MMAS (as long as the CBC is normal)
Abnormal... SM

STEP THREE: RAST plus total IgE
(allergist)
Normal... go to step four
Abnormal... IgE allergies (rule out infections/parasites)

STEP FOUR: antibodies to FceRI, anti-IgE
(allergist... preferably one who's also an immunologist)
Normal... go to step five
Abnormal... autoimmune mast cell disorder (rule asthma, lupus in or out)

STEP FIVE: CBC, CMP, CA-125, Chromogranin-A, CRP, ESR
(GP, immunologist)
Normal... go to step six
Abnormal... can suggest a neoplastic or inflammatory disorder (more testing needed)

STEP SIX: C1q, bone marrow biopsy, mediators (tryptase, histamine, prostaglandins) during flares
(GP, hematologist, immunologist... bone marrow biopsy only by a mast cell researcher)
Normal... idiopathic urticaria, anaphylaxis, and/or angioedema
Abnormal... C1q is for hereditary angioedema (HAE), BMB could still suggest MMAS (based on mutations), elevated mediators on at least two occasions needed for MCAS diagnosis

Best of Luck!!
Ramona
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Reply #2 - 07/30/11 at 17:02:50
 
  I don't know what testing you've done, but generally there are a few other disorders that need to be ruled out before an investigation into mast cell disorders begins.  Those include carcinoid syndrome and pheochromocytoma.  There are blood and urine tests that specifically are diagnostic for those.  If those are negative, and your doctor doesn't have any other ideas, then testing for a mast cell disorder can be done.  That would start with a tryptase test (blood test).  An allergist/ immunologist or your regular physician can order that test

You can check in the other sections of the forum to see if names are posted in your area.  One of the moderators of the forum is from near Gainesville, so she might be able to help.

  The only symptom I'll address here is the bruising.  Anemia wouldn't cause it, as far as I know, but there are other problems that would, and you should be tested to see if there's any other reason for this happening.  An internal medicine specialist might be able to check at least for platelets (which influence clotting) and hopefully for other things that could be causing it.

  I'm sure others will jump in here and give you more advice.
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Reply #3 - 07/30/11 at 18:42:31
 
Hi Cbear,

You have SO many symptoms and they are indeed so odd, I can only think of ONE doctor near you to see - Dr. Lawrence Afrin.   He's a hematologist who has a special interest in mastocytosis.  Yet, due to his being a hematologist, he's going to be able to take a look at the larger picture and run these tests looking for other diseases in order to rule out the competition and yet still knows masto well enough to keep it in mind.  

It's a hard process to investigate for diseases, C, and there's a great deal of disease that needs to be considered and ruled out for often there are overlapping symptoms and many of us have more than one disease present.  We patients don't always know what symptom belongs to which disease or condition and we get confused by it all.  Heck, the doctors do too, which is why it's good to see someone like Dr. Afrin, for he knows masto well enough to know how to look for it, but being a hematologist, he can also hunt for other diseases, which is obviously what you and your sister and mother are needing.

I suggest you write to him, telling him about yourselves, both you, your sister and your mom and ask him if he can help you find some answers.  He's in South Carolina.  Don't get shocked about my suggesting to you a doctor in South Carolina.  We patients who have rare diseases must quickly wake up to the fact that doctors who know rare diseases are more rare than we patients with the rare disease!  They are far fewer than us and that's the truth.  If you are going to find answers, C, you are going to have to travel to do so.  Otherwise, you will continue running around in circles until you finally bite the bullet and go see someone like Dr. Afrin.

If you can get to see him, then you should speak with Ramona and ask her who are the doctors who are supporting her for she's the best one in your region to give you that kind of help.  Yet, let me warn you, Ramona has not had an easy time finding a doctor who can help her!  This is another reason why I'm recommending Afrin to you.  You're needing an investigation - a complete investigation, but you need a doctor who can consider masto competently, which is why I'm suggesting Afrin.  However, he's going to need local support and this is where you are going to find it very difficult for Ramona has been through the wringer regarding doctors!  If you can get some answers with Afrin first, you will find that gaining the support regionally will be a great deal less challenging then!

So, here is Dr. Afrin's phone number and email and I suggest you contact him, telling him what you told us here, explaining the entire situation, just as you did here, which will help him understand that you're needing big time support and help.  

I hope this helps!

Lisa


I'm always happy to see new patients, though my schedule (as you probably can imagine) is quite full and the wait time for new-patient appointments typically is 2-3 months.  The Medical University of South Carolina Hollings Cancer Center appointment scheduling office can be reached at 843-792-9300.  email:  afrinl@musc.edu
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Reply #4 - 07/31/11 at 06:50:10
 
Thank you so much everyone! I really appreciate your guidance. I'll start right away to have my doctor do the tests you all suggested. I was also wondering if they should do a skin biopsy of our splotches as I've read that can help diagnose the cutaneous form of mastocytosis easily, though systemic is obviously much more complicated.

No worries about suggesting traveling to see a doctor either, as I suspected there were not more then 50 specialists for this disease worldwide. I guess I should have specified in my original post that I expected to not need a specialist yet till I had a diagnoses. Again thank you everyone for the info. I'll do what all of you suggested and check each lead as it were Smiley ...

Sincerely,
Cbear
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Reply #5 - 07/31/11 at 10:17:57
 
Hi Cbear,

In going back over your post, I'm concerned about you making a mistake that too many of us have made in our journeys to find answers  - that of self-diagnosis.  

One of the things that patients like us, with loads of symptoms and weird reactions and things must do is to constantly keep our minds open to possibilities.  What we don't know in the beginning but learn along the way is that there is no easy path to a diagnosis!  Some of us take many years and tons of doctors to find our answers.  I've seen a TON and yet only a few really could recognize my symptoms and my case was a pretty obvious case of masto.  But in the process of finding those answers, those tons of doctors asked for tons of testing and through the process of elimination we finally were able to pin the disease down.  

With patients who don't have a very obvious telltale symptoms with a disease, the doctors do very wide range testing to see if they can "catch" something that will give them direction.  Yet, very often they will remain lost and so we go on to another doctor hoping that he will be able to "catch" something too.  Yet, this whole process frustrates us patients for we expect our doctors to "find" whatever it is without too much difficulty and so when one doctor can't find it, we go to the next with not only high expectations, but also a frustration that the other doctor left behind and the more doctors we go to see, the higher the amount of frustrations and expectations to the point we can get revolted by the entire process!!!  

I have to say that I've been through this along with a whole bunch of others and the harder the process is, the greater my respect and admiration for doctors has grown for I've had a chance to see in the first person how very challenging their jobs are!

Cbear, your case is very complex and you are needing a doctor who can take a good overall look of your case and not just look at a mast cell disorder only.  It seems possible to me that you have more than one problem here and that the symptoms are overlapping.  It also seems very obviously a genetic disorder if you and your twin sister are sharing symptoms to such an extent. Yet your list of symptoms indicate many possibilities and not just a single source.  Your doctors need to do a lot of investigating to be able to come to any kind of conclusions.  Many of your symptoms sound like an endocrinal problem - hypothyroidism would explain the hair problems, brittle nails, skin dryness, etc.  The seizures could be a separate situation of epilepsy.  The muscle cramps could be potassium related abnormalities and if you have lost of diarrhea, this can create the imbalances in your diet which could create imbalances with your levels of potassium and magnesium and other minerals which thus create various symptoms.

It could be that you have only one disease which could explain it all, but this may just not be the case and so you need to keep your mind open.  Yet this is why I suggest you write to Afrin and go see him.  My concern, Cbear, is that by asking your doctor to do all of this testing, you can end up frustrating him when things come back negative.  One of the things we patients go through is this - the frustrated doctor syndrome.  They usually are not so open to suggestions for testing until after more formal investigations into other diseases have been done.  Then they begin to be open for other ideas including from patients.  In your case, from what you say, you've had very little formal investigating done and there's so many diseases which need to be considered and ruled out.  

For example:  I'll bet you anything you have some autoimmune disease here.  I'll bet a look into some of the autoimmune related disease will reveal some evidence.  But to go suggesting to test for the carcinoid syndrome and mastocytosis isn't the way to go about it all.   And since masto is almost purely a diagnosis of elimination, you are going to have your doctor telling you that you don't have masto!  You see, mastocytosis, if you have the classic form of the disease is a very obvious diagnosis where you have a strict criteria of markers which must return positive.  However, a mast cell disorder in which the patient doesn't have that one, specific form of SM will not produce positive markers and if you are working with a doctor who doesn't know this then he's going to say you don't have the disease and you will totally miss it!

Cbear, some of your symptoms do indeed sound like masto to me, in fact, you seem very similar to one of our kids here, Brie Gruba.  She's got a whole range of symptoms, some of them very unusual, and her doctors and her mother have gone around in thousands of circles trying to pin it down!  She went to the Mayo in Minnesota and they totally missed it but this is because they were looking for Systemic Masto and couldn't find it!  Brie has MCAD and the majority of her testing came back negative and it was purely due to her mother's insistence and one very determined doctor who finally was able to find enough proof and when she went to Boston to see Dr. Castells then they were able to give the child a real diagnosis!

This is why I suggest that you hold tight for right now in specifically looking for masto there in Florida.  If I could get Ramona up to Afrin, this is what I'd do, but she's got limitations that you don't have.  I strongly suggest that you take this first post of yours where you describe your symptoms and the behavior and copy it and send an email to Dr. Afrin and tell him about you, your sister and your mother and see what he has to say about you three.  This sound genetic and masto is a genetic disorder and although it's not considered common to run in families, I believe that the researchers are going to begin changing their stand on this for we've had plenty of patients say that they've got sisters, brothers, aunts, uncles parents and children who have this and in my own case, now that we are looking at my family, we are indeed finding this to be so.  

So, please reconsider doing any local testing other than going to a hematologist who can do some overall testing to perhaps rule out some things and save the mast cell disorder search for Dr. Afrin.  He knows masto well enough to be able to keep it in mind while looking for other possibilities.

I hope this helps!

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Reply #6 - 08/08/11 at 05:48:55
 
Hi Lisa,

   Thank you for your concern. No worries about the self diagnoses thing. I'm very aware of the possibility of being wrong no matter how much I want to be done with searching. After all my own mother has for years had her own ideas/actual misdiagnoses from doctors about what she has, and I often thought she was wrong. People can never really even be sure that all their symptoms even come from one health issue even with a diagnoses....

   I did contact Dr. Afrin. He was very kind but basically said to look for someone locally. So as a first step I'm taking my sister to get a referral for a skin biopsy to try to diagnose cutaneous mastocytosis, as she's getting much worse with the splotches and they are itching. Soon it will be difficult for her to go out in public without it being very visible, much less if they progress into sores or anything of that nature. I figure if she has the cutaneous form diagnosed it will be easier to get a systemic diagnoses from someone else? And if they find it is something other that mast cells in her skin then what ever they diagnose it as may help lead us to a different problem?

   Thank you again for your ideas and caution. : )

Sincerely,
Cbear
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