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headaches and involuntary movements
06/07/11 at 16:26:35
 
I know headaches are a mast cell symptom but I get them almost everyday for weeks and then may have a short break. Can anyone suggest what I can do to help aliviate them or dare I say stop them. Asprin helps most of the time but sometimes I just cant shift it. The thing is, nearly all my others aches and pains are gone so I have a good day except for the headache.

The other thing is I get involuntary movements, inparticular when laying down to sleep. I have been having them for about 5 years, 2 years prior to the mast cell full blown symptoms. They were really bad then and it would happen during the day, sitting or lying. I have had my fingers on the keyboard and my fingers will jump or my hand would jerk. The worst ones were at night when I could feel my whole spine jerk and my head would go side ways.

I have accidently scratched my self while sleeping, as my hand will jerk quickly and my fingernails will dig into flesh, generally on my face. Also I could be sitting at the computer and my leg will jerk in a quick short action, most times no one never see's any of it. Except when it first started it was so obvious. They blamed it on the Post traumatic Stress.. but later as I had full blown mast cell symptoms and now I am on meds it does not happen as often or as severe. I notice if I am really tired or did not get good sleep the night before it will happen the following night.

Sometimes it is so bad I have trouble falling asleep it is amost like a convulsion? I tried talking to my doctor about it but just said it was nothing, just normal jerking that we all get from time to time. But I know its not normal and because I am not relaxed in front of her it does not happen.

I sleep at my daughters from time to time and have to sleep on the lounge in her small flat and she has seen it happen. She also confirms its not as bad as it was.

It this a mast cell thing? and Whats happening to me? Any response will be gladly appreciated.
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Re: headaches and involuntary movements
Reply #1 - 06/08/11 at 11:06:13
 
Keri,

I'm new to a mastocytosis diagnosis, so I have much yet to learn.  Although my masto symptoms and status are not nearly as severe as many of those who post on this site, consistant headaches is something I have dealt with for many years, long before my diagnosis.  What I have found to be consistantly most helpful is to stay very hydrated.  I've found I can often lessen a headache by drinking water; sometimes the headache will go completely away.  I'll be interested in replies from others...

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Re: headaches and involuntary movements
Reply #2 - 06/08/11 at 11:40:32
 
When my symptoms are in a flare, I do get lots of muscle twitching, spasming, and involuntary movements primarily in my legs. For me, I have also noticed that sometimes medications can aggravate this. One of my drs. did some testing for muscle fiber and nerve degeneration, I think looking for things like ALS, but nothing was positive thank goodness.  Lyrica, for me, has really helped control many of these symptoms along with the antihist.  I would probably get it checked out and also look at any meds you are taking to see if that can be a side effect.  However, at least in my case, I definitely have those symptoms.  Good luck!
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Re: headaches and involuntary movements
Reply #3 - 06/10/11 at 11:44:56
 
Hi Keri,
headaches are common with mast cell diseases. First try taking an extra antihistamine. If you are doing this often, you may need to up your meds for a bit, you might be reacting --see how bad the heat is everywhere?

The involuntary movement of the legs is called restless leg syndrome. Texan is right, sometimes Lyrica helps. I would again say, you need to increase one of your meds and see if it helps. I would suggest trying a low dose of Vistaril if those headaches dont get better.. It helps calm mast cell activity in the brain. Hope this helps!
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Re: headaches and involuntary movements
Reply #4 - 06/10/11 at 19:37:02
 
Being a long term headache survivor, I know there can be a lot of things involved. Mast cell issues, can, of course, be a problem.

Reactions to drugs would be the next thing to look at. Sometimes one drug, or a certain combination can trigger headaches. There is also something called rebound headache. If you take something like aspirin, NSAIDS, or migraine medication too frequently, you can get a rebound headache when you stop the medication. In fact, you can get rebound headaches when you drink a lot of caffeine, and then take some time off.

Hormone imbalances can be another primary cause of headaches. Thyroid, cortisol, female hormones, and others can cause headaches when they are out of balance. I know some here have trouble with hormones, but the fact is, your body does require them to function, and sometimes low dose supplementing can even things out. Thyroid and estrogen are especially at issue.

You can also have headaches if you have muscle imbalances. Tight muscles in your neck, jaws, and back can cause very severe headaches. Treatment with a good osteopath or chiropractor can help, or learning yoga to help relax the muscles yourself. Learning relaxation is also a possibility.

Allergies to foods or inhaled allergies can also cause headache.

I don't know if any of these are involved in your headaches. There are other possibilities, like infections, or more serious issues, like cancer. It is worth following through and being thoroughly evaluated for daily headaches.

Ya think I have been fully evaluated for headaches? There are even more options, but most you really need a doctor to pursue. Good luck in finding what is causing yours!
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Reply #5 - 06/11/11 at 07:51:04
 
Susan is right all those things can cause headaches. I do however want you all to be aware that there are normally mast cells in the brain (for communication there) and there can be misbehaving mast cells too--the same ones that cause brain fog. I tried  Vistaril for 2 reasons--I read 2 different NIH studies that showed it helped with both I.C. bladder spasms and brain fog calming those misbehaving mast cells. It sure did help me! Also try an extra antihistamine Smiley

Vistaril is also good as a "rescue" drug, the same way you use Benadryl... and its fairly cheap! (a word I love ).

Rachael please let us know how you are, we are thinking of ya!
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Re: headaches and involuntary movements
Reply #6 - 06/14/11 at 12:22:37
 
Thanks everyone, i am off to my Doc today and will share all the information that you have given me. Yes spoke to the doc sometime ago about involuntary movements and it's not the same as restless leg syndrome. It can be in my spine and arms and fingers as well, I just reckon perhaps there is more going on in my brain when it come to mast cell etc.. and will keep plodding along.
I will try some of the things suggested and let you know.
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Re: headaches and involuntary movements
Reply #7 - 06/14/11 at 13:41:11
 
Hi Keri!

I wish I had seen this earlier, I just got home, sorry!   There is a case of chorea and masto and I have a copy of it, if you want it.  This may be what is going on with you.  Masto has also been associated with epilepsy and it's also been the cause of Parkinsons as well as brain damage due to hypoxia.   So, masto has been shown to be connected to neurological problems, yes!

Here is that article that I have.  It's short, but sweet!!!
I hope it helps!

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Chorea: a new manfestation of MASTOCYTOSIS

Sir: Mastocytosis is a uncommon disease,
characterised by the proliferation of mast
cells in various organs of the body, which
presents in a limited cutaneous or a systemic
form.' The central nervous system manifestations
of mastocytosis include headache,
dizziness, seizures and alterations in cognitive
function.23 The occurrence of chorea,
to the best of our knowledge, have never
before been described in mastocytosis. We
recently examined a patient with mastocytosis
who developed choreic movements.

A 13 year old girl was admitted to hospital
for study ofpruritic skin lesions consisting of
reddish-brown maculopapules. A skin
biopsy was done under local anaesthetic
(mepivacaine 1%). Approximately 4 hours
later, she developed involuntary movements.
Examination revealed choreatic movements
specially involving the upper extremities and
the orofaciolingual muscles, with the trunk
and the lower extremities involved to a lesser
degree. The hands showed choreothetoid
movements. Neurological examination was
otherwise normal. General physical examination
was normal save for skin lesions. One
day after initiation of the chorea, treatment
with cyproheptadine (12 mg/d) and
ketotifen (2 mg/d) was instituted. Resolution
of the abnormal movements began
gradually during the third day after their
onset and completely returned to the
premorbid state on the fifth day. One year
later, the patient has remained well without
further choreic episodes.

Pregnancy, birth and early development
were normal. There was no history ofchorea
or rheumatic fever and the patient had not
been treated with chorea-inducing drugs.
Family history was not significant for any
neurological disease.

The following investigations were all normal;
haemoglobin determination, WBC and
differential counts, ESR, urea and electrolytes,
creatinine, blood glucose, liver function
tests, calcium and phosphate, cholesterol,
triglycerides, uric acid, serum protein
electrophoresis, quantitative assays for
immunoglobulin levels, C3, C4, autoantibody
screening, syphilis tests, coagulation
system tests, thyroid function tests, caeruloplasmin,
serum and urinary copper, 24 hour
5-hidroxylindolacetic acid and urinary histamine
levels, skull and chest radiographs,
cerebrospinal fluid, electroencephalography,
auditory and visual evoked potential
and CT and MRI of the brain. The skin
biopsy specimen showed mast cell infiltration
of the dermis.

The most remarkable finding in our case is
the presence of chorea that, to our
knowledge, has never before been described
in mastocytosis. Choreic movements were
considered to be caused by mastocytosis, not
just because no evidence of other aetiology
was found,' but also in view that the administration
of a well-known activator ofa mast
cell secretion as topical anaesthetic3
provoked the choreic movements.

The role of the mast cell in production of
disease appears to be twofold. As a consequence
ofa high tissue mast cell concentration,
there are both local effects of mast cell
infiltration, as it interfers with organ function,
and systemic effects resulting from
release of mast cell mediators such as histamine,
heparin, prostaglandins and other
peptides.5 6

Chorea can be the result of structural or
functional striatum damage.' In our case, the
possible explanation of these movements is
that as an effect of a sudden and greatly
elevated level of released mast cell
mediators, mastocytosis may induce biochemical
alteration in the basal ganglia. This
hypothesis is supported by the fact that the
development of chorea was provoked by the
administration of a well-known activator of
mast cell secretion (mepivacaine 1%).
We cannot exclude the possibility that
mast cell infiltration of the basal ganglia
were responsible for chorea. However, we
consider this possibility to be far less likely in
view of the transient nature of the chorea
and that no structural lesion could be
demonstrated by the neuroradiological
studies. In addition, the systemic mast cell
disease has been reported to involve directly
virtually all organs except the central
nervous system.'

Although no conclusion can be drawn
from our report, we believe that the causation
of the chorea in mastocytosis must be
sought at a biochemical level rather than in a
structural lesion.

LM IRIARTE
J MATEU
G CRUZ*
J ESCUDERot

Departments ofNeurology,
Pediatrics* and Dermatology.t
Hospital Universitario de Valme,
Facultad de Medicina de Sevilla,
Sevilla, Spain
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Re: headaches and involuntary movements
Reply #8 - 06/14/11 at 15:49:35
 
Keri:

Mine is not restless leg either...the spasms and fasticulations occur all over my body...mine is just most noticeable in my legs, but not limited to them for sure. I sometimes get tremoring sensations in my fingers too. Sometimes my whole body kinda jerks.  Can kind of drive you a bit crazy sometimes...but I have found the antihist help as does the lyrica.  But, get it checked out if you are talking to a dr... just even for your own peace of mind.  I did, and I got some answers of things that its not!  Good luck!  

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Reply #9 - 06/19/11 at 13:45:27
 
Hi everyone, thank you all so much for adding your responses to my condition, I have really appreciated it and now I have some tangable information to share with my doctor.

I went as i said the other day and finally got my tryptase test  back, pathalogy had not even past it on. Apparently they were normal but my IgE was raised 140 IU/ml

I was cleaver enough to put togther information that I have found here and was able to show it to my doctor especially the print out of the tests required for subspected Mast Cell suffers. This was a huge help for my doctor to read which mean't I didnt have to try and explian things that I am sure I would have mucked up otherwise. It helped for her to know what I could be in for and I am now being refered to an immunologist and allergist at the Greenslopes Hospital.

So thank you all so much..

My headaches have almost dissappeared again.. I tried to increase the Zyrtec it did nothing, infact my head got so bad I went to bed feeling so unwell. Even though nothing has changed the headache has abated and even had a day without any. Today like most days I just have a dull pain above my eyes.

Thanks for sharing on the involuntary movements as this seems to make more sense.. I have lesions on the brain and no one could tell me what from.. perhaps we have the answere here. I will look into it more and will let you all know how I get on with the immunologist..I just wonder how long it will be before I get in to see them. I have to go to Brisbane and I am further up North on the coast, but my Gp said she did not want to send me to any one else.

I will also print out this information on involuntary movements, I am sure it to will be a bit help, thanky for taking the time to type it out.

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Reply #10 - 06/20/11 at 11:21:49
 
I used to get a lot of twitches, but it subsided after the first year or so.  I wondered if it was a side effect of the antihistamines.  I noticed that when I switched types of antihistamine, it stopped.
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Reply #11 - 06/20/11 at 12:36:53
 
No, I was getting the twitching long before I started taking zyrtec. I started twitching in about 2007 and only started taking zyrtec last year when my specialist recommended I had Mast Cell.
thanks for the post anyhow..
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Reply #12 - 07/19/11 at 11:00:17
 
Also, restless leg syndrome can be associated with iron deficiency.  I was having a lot of symptoms with onset of sleep.  Apparently, I don't transition well from waking to sleeping, and sometimes that is what gives you the JERKS right as you are laying in bed and fall asleep.

I was getting a little anemic, so they put me on some iron pills.  Unfortunately, they gave me quite the stomach ache.  So, I wound up eating a giant hamburger once a week for several weeks, my iron went back up, and the jerks disappeared.

So there, perhaps there is a good reason for a cheeseburger now and then.  Sometimes you just have to be a carnivore, you know??? Smiley
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