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05/24/11 at 13:01:40
 
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My name is Amber, I'm 28 and very very very FRUSTRATED Undecided! I have been battling with what I thought was an unknown food allergy since college 2003. I seen an allergist in Michigan who skin tested me for food allergies and did a scratch skin test. Both tests came back positive. He didn't think it was a food allergy so he had recommened me seeing and autoimmune specialist/hematologist to be worked up for mastocytosis. I didn't flow up with either because shortly after that appointment I had to move south for my husbands job.

Once I was settled here I found another allergy specialist who did some bloodwork for food allergies and gave me a script for a tryptase level to be drawn 2-4 hours post reaction. My bloodwork for food allergies was negative and on april 27 i landed in the ER with an allergic reaction. They drew my dang tryptase level as soon as I got there instead of the 2-4hr post reaction window. Sooo needless to say that came back negative (low). My doctor then basically said he gave up he didn't know and referred me to a GI doctor.

I have a friend back home that is a GI doctor and he insists I get worked up for masto based upon my symptoms. I mentioned this to my current allergist and he asked me, "do you break out in hives if you scratch your skin?" I said no? I told him that I dont break out in hives, but it stays red and raised for a long time and is itchy at the site. He said then I don't have Masto.

Here is what causes these reactions:
Food mainly when I go out to eat, stress, anxiety, mixing hot and cold food or drinks, hot weather, and exercise.

Symptoms:
Starts out with TERRIBLE and I mean TERRIBLE belly cramps hurts so bad. When I get the cramps its like a warning I know I have 5-15 minutes maybe 20mins if i'm lucky to find a bathroom. I then get diarrhea with the cramping. It then moves into my resp track my chest gets tight, I get congested and wheezy. I break out in a rash usually starts on my chest and neck goes to my thighs, butt, arms , belly ,and back. My heart races out of control, I get flushed and dizzy. This all lasts for hmm anywhere 35-45mins and the wheezying for hour or so.

Ever since these reactions i've had to start taking 100mg of toprol to control my heart rate, i take OTC meds for what feels like consistant headaches, and I've tried xyzal which was a waste of time didnt stop my reactions or make them less frequent. I carry an epi-pen just in case.

I noticed that if I take 25mg of benadryl about 30mins before i eat, 25 with my first bite and 25 after dinner along with 3 tabs of immodium i can at least make my reaction not as terrible...however doesn't always work. If i know i'm going to the gym i load up on benadryl also. This is getting old fast. not only am I getting a tolerance to the benadryl but it makes going out with friends and date night with my husband a total drag. I am sick of worrying over whether or not im going to have a reaction and if there will be a bathroom avaliable. Sick of worrying if im going to spend the evening miserable in the bathroom embaressed.

So my question to ya'll is. Do you think seeing GI doctor will be a total waste of time? Should I pursue a hematologist? Should I get a second opinion from another allergist? Are these even symptoms of masto? Were you as frustrated as I am with finding out what in the H is wrong? I am over it!!! Angry ugh!
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Reply #1 - 05/24/11 at 13:39:59
 
Hi Amber,

Welcome to the group!

I think it's an excellent idea to see a GI doctor.  Your symptoms could be from a mast cell disorder.  If your doctor suggests a colonoscopy and/or an endoscopy, ask to have to have the slides checked for mast cells and eosinophils.  Those are the two main types of cells that are involved in allergic reactions.  Some clues that also say "mast cell disorder" to me are the wheezing, rash, and the relief you get from Benadryl.  Since you tested negative to food allergies, my guess is that the simple mechanical action of food moving through your GI system is what's triggering you... some people are really sensitive to pressure.  Is it worse when you eat hot foot or drink coffee?  How do you react to alcohol?  Have you noticed any specific foods that bother you, regardless of what the food allergy tests said?  Do you have any other "allergic" symptoms or an autoimmune disorder?

Don't let anyone blow you off just because of the normal tryptase!  Same goes for the lack of "spots" or dermatographism... a doctor who thinks those things are necessary for a mast cell disorder doesn't know what he or she is talking about.

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Reply #2 - 05/25/11 at 03:06:15
 
Welcome Amber!!
I agree with Heather, you need a good GI DR and fast. There are some types of Mastocytosis that itch and swell when you scratch your skin--but that is only 20% of people who have this disorder. Obviously that DR was wrong and didnt know it.

Mastocytosis is a disorder of exclusion--which means they need to test for some other diseases first, exclude those while tesing for things that ARE positive in Mastocytosis. While you find the right DR and are having these tests done,‭ I would give you some suggestions-, just in case it is masto--to help you find your way and make you more comfortable.

First lets talk doctors. where do you live? (state) We can suggest a doctor for you if we know where you are. Next, if you have a reaction and are in the hospital, that tryptase level should be done after 1 hour BUT before the third hour, so they werent completely wrong there.  You also need a tryptase level when you arent reacting (called a baseline). Again, a negative tryptase level does not mean you dont have it, some of us are different.

For your own benifit, look up
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Reply #3 - 05/25/11 at 03:28:57
 
Welcome Amber!!
I agree with Heather, you need a good GI DR and fast. There are some types of Mastocytosis that develop hives--but that is only a small percentage of people who do that with this disorder. Obviously that DR was wrong and didnt know it.

Mastocytosis is a disorder of exclusion--which means they need to test for some other diseases first, exclude those while tesing for things that ARE positive in Mastocytosis. While you find the right doctor and are having these tests done,‭ I would give you some suggestions-, just in case it is masto--to help you find your way and make you more comfortable. Seeing an expert is VERY important.

First lets talk doctors. where do you live? (state) We can suggest a doctor for you if we know where you are. Next, if you have a reaction and are in the hospital, that tryptase level should be done after 1 hour BUT before the third hour, so they werent completely wrong there.  You also need a tryptase level when you arent reacting (called a baseline). Again, a negative tryptase level does not mean you dont have it, some of us are different.

For your own benefit, look up LOW HISTAMINE DIET, and for now, stick to it closely.  Foods have natural histamine in them, some higher and some lower--you need to avoid those higher.  Next read our thread here about TRIGGERS.  Most of us are about 90% the same but we all have our differences too. Knowing what WE react to might just help you figure out what YOU are reacting to.

I want you to start a diary--list all foods you eat, all activities you do (even small ones),and how you feel, day to day. It will give you a way to see patterns in how you are reacting, what is causing it with you.


There are a few OTC (over the counter) meds you can try, that we use all the time--just to see IF they help you. Meds like Zantac twice a day, and Allegra, Zyrtec, and Chlortrimeton. You dont need all those, they are just a few of what we take. I would try the Zantac and maybe the Allegra... and see if you feel better--Now make SURE to tell your DR whats going on, how you feel and what meds help.

For the time being, stay OUT of the heat, NO exercise, NO spicy foods (NO peppers, vinegars or spices). NO aged cheeses, NO alcohol. NO leftovers (they make histamine in the fridge). Yes it is strict (at first) but you have to stop these reactions, feel better and get some answers before you can add foods back (later when you are stable).

Do everything you can to eliminate stress from your life.

That Toprol is a problem, is it very probably making you worse--it is a beta blocker and we cant take those--but do NOT stop it suddenly, taper off of it SLOWLY, under your doctors care and supervision ok?? That fast heart rate is sadly part of what a lot of us experience. You might tell your DR that the NIH is now treating it (tachycardia) with a drug called Verapamil (Calan) and he might want to try you on it--after you come off the Toprol.

Good luck Hon. Ask us anything and know we are here for you!
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Reply #4 - 05/25/11 at 05:34:08
 
Welcome! Ramona's right, all the people on here recommend the low histamine diet. No left overs, cheese, vinegear, soy, etc. Google low histamine diet. Just give it a try. I know it can be overwhelming at first to think you can't eat all those foods, but there are plenty of things you can still eat. The low histamine diet really helps. I did for me.  Alcohol is a big trigger for masto. For me when I drink alcohol it didn't hit me till about 6 to 8 hours after I drank and I would be vomiting and having diarrhea. Not always, but as the years went on, it seemed to get worse and worse to the point when 1 glass of wine left me hung over for 1 to 2 days. But I wasn't hung over it was the mast cells. I know it does suck, no more girls night for drinks or sitting in the hot tub.(heat is a trigger) So now we go to movies or plays or shopping or spa day. Best of luck to you. Oh and the zantac does help a lot. I take 300mg twice daily.
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Reply #5 - 05/25/11 at 12:09:14
 
Hey Ya'll!!

You guys rock thank you so much for the suggestions and advice I REALLLY appreciate it. I live in South Carolina and made an appointment with a GI doctor today so hopefully that will help!!!  I am going to start keeing a food diary to see if i can find any kind of pattern as well. As far as the toprol I tried Verapamil and i was unsuccessful with it. My cardiologist  put me on 100mg of toprol last year, but my husband and I are talking "family" and my OB wanted me to try to get down to 50 to see how I do and even on the 50 still having troubles.

I've noticed that if I eat hot foods or drinks with cooler foods and drinks I have more problems. As far as specific foods I know if I eat anything spicey ie mexican or add red pepper it seems like I am guarenteed a reaction. Alcohol will make me itch and cramp like crazy like i'm going to react but never really got any diarrhea from it right away that I can think of. I've never been dx with any autoimmune disorders or any other allergies.


So we'll see how the GI appointment goes and the food tracking. I've tried xyzal without success, but Im gonna give zantac a try. Super hard to stay outta the head its a kabillion degrees already down here but gonna try my best to stay inside. I'll also look into a low histamine diet as well.

Thank you so very very much I really appreciate it. Hopefully i will get some answers from the appointment. I hope ya'll have a wonderful holiday weekend!

Amber
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Reply #6 - 05/25/11 at 16:13:59
 
Hi Amber,

A few more things.  When you go to the GI doctor's office, take with you information on Mastocytic Enterocolitis.  You can find that info on the NIH Rare Diseases website.  I can find the link if you have any trouble finding it.  BTW, I've done the treatment (Gastrocrom, Zantac, probiotics, L-glutamine) for ME, and it helped me a lot.  

Also, it wouldn't be surprising if the tachycardia turns out to be related to mast cells.  That is something that happens to many of us.  Two problems that should be ruled out, if they haven't been already, are carcinoid syndrome and pheochromocytoma.  They are 2 of the very few problems that cause flushing and similar symptoms.

In case you don't know, there are several types of histamine.  The ones causing problems in mast cell disorders are H1 and H2.  There are different types of meds used for each, which is why Allegra and Zantac are recommended together.  Allegra (or Zyrtec, Claritin, Benadryl, Vistaril, etc.) are used to inhibit H1 histamine.  Zantac, Pepcid, and other H2 histamine blockers are used to inhibit H2 histamine.  There are other mediators that your mast cells could be dumping into your system during an attack.  Some people benefit from Singulair, which inhibits leukotrienes, and some people also benefit from aspirin (if not allergic and don't have stomach upset from it) or Tylenol to inhibit prostaglandins.  Both of those are involved in inflammation.

Keep us posted as to how you're doing.
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