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Looking for answers...
05/14/11 at 03:13:29
 
Hello, thank you for this forum.  I have been reading some very interesting comments.  Don't know if they pertain to me or not.  Would appreciate any comments.

I've been diagnosed with angioedema, minor grass allergies, sjogren's (autoimmune rheumatic), lymphocytic colitis (biopsy during colonoscopy), osteoarthritis, peripheral neuropathy and most recently autoimmune urticaria (allergist/immunologist mentioned may have something "unusual")  She said I have very high Ige receptor ab, Igm and more or less "allergic to everything".

Am taking daily prilosec, allegra, plaquenil, entocort and started xyzal recently.

Symptoms:  lip swelling & tingling, rashes (rarely hives), head, throat congestion, intestinal problems, low blood pressure, flushing, itchy, cold and heat reactions, adverse drug reactions plus numerous other "strange" reactions.

Thanks for any suggestions especially what to pursue with rheumatologist and allergist/immunologist whom I see in July.

Marie





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Reply #1 - 05/14/11 at 15:15:20
 
Hi Fuchsia,

Welcome to the forum!

Your findings sound like masto to me, especially that high affinity IgE receptor finding you have.  We have another masto patient here with that, Heather, and she can tell you all about it!!  

It seems to me that you need to go to a masto expert, for you've obviously been to many doctors and still not managed to pinpoint it. but that's not surprising because unless they KNOW MASTO, they often come close, but they don't hit the mark.  So, I think that you need to see some of the experts that we have around the country.  

Where do you live, perhaps one of them lives close to you.  

You've got Boston, and Baltimore, Richmond and South Carolina, and you have Minnesota and California where some of the major authorities are, so if you tell us where you live, perhaps we can help you.  

I hope this helps!


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Reply #2 - 05/15/11 at 01:30:37
 
Hi Fuchsia

Welcome to our forum Smiley In terms of mast cell disease you are in good company . I have angiodeama - idiopathic and we are still investigating . I ahve not had the high affinity IGE antibody test and am persuing it .

In terms of your symptoms , drug reactions and all else wired and wonderful we understand Wink I read very similar to you on paper .

There is a section here on triggers , you will find it interesting . Triggers are like allergens to us . They set off our mast cells by various routes . IGE allergy is not the only way mast cells get activated .
So if you think something is a symptom , it likely is Wink

While your awaiting a mast cell speclaist there are things you can do . The first is go on the low histamine diet ( ill come back with the link ) its harsh , but will help keep the histamine as low as possible whilst you are investigated and get stable . I found I had sussed most e foods myself . If you have a problem with sulphite food preservative then avoiding corn and gelatine may be advisable as sulphites are used in the production process .

Keep a religious diary of everything you eat , drink , wash or rub in Wink as triggers can lie in the funniest of places . One for me was alcohol and corn flour in thrush pesseries . Luckily a liquid exists Wink

From a mast cell point of view you seem undermedicated . Ideally most of us find 3 antihistamines necessary to gain stability.

Mine are :-
Ranitidine ( stomach ) 300mg twice a day
Piriton 4mg ( chest / itching ) 4 times a day . ( same class as US benadryl
ceterizine 10mg ( chest ) twice a day
hydroxizine 25mg ( cystitis , brain fog ) twice a day
montelukast ( singulair ) swlelling - 10mg once a day

I use piriton and ceterizine for rescue . Occasionally singulair . I find 8 mg of piriton works if it is going to Wink ( others please come in with benadryl doses )

There are emergency guides and other details on the mastocytosis society webpage , under articles .

Carry the emergency protocol Wink some ED doc's know about mast cell disease ( the cells the IGE is attched to ) but many do not . In shock we need the anaphylaxis treatment . every ED has it . I say anaphylaxis and when asked what I am allergic to I say , heres a list Wink

Doctors who truely know mast cell disease are the best for us . It behaves like a syndrome . We have similar triggers but no 2 mast cell patients are exactly the same .

I am glad you ahve come here , glad to meet you

Josie
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Reply #3 - 05/15/11 at 02:40:28
 
Hi Marie,

It sounds like you've already done some pretty thorough investigation... time for some relief from your symptoms!  That's what I would focus on at this point.  As Lisa said, I have the same antibody you do.  Although everyone is different and the mix of medications that works for me might not work for you, here's what I take for my mast cell disorder:

Morning:
- 20mg Claritin
- 300mg Zantac
- 4 vials of Gastrocrom

Evening:
- 20mg Zyrtec
- 300 mg Zantac
- 30mg Singulair
- 4 vials of Gastrocrom

As needed:
- 50mg liquid Benadryl (quick relief)
- EpiPen (I carry two)
- 10mg Pepcid Complete (for heartburn flares)
- 40-60mg of prednisone (only in emergencies)
- Tylenol (for headaches, joint pain)
- Lortab or Ultram (for recurrent, severe abdominal pain)

Gastrocrom has made a BIG difference in my GI symptoms, but the best overall drug for me has been Singulair, especially 30mg instead of the usual 10mg.  I actually have energy again!  Nothing wrong with plaquenil... it's on my list of things to try if things get worse again.  If they really get bad, my hematologist recommended trying a course of Rituxan... for some people with autoimmune disorders it works as a temporary "cure" (by getting rid of all your T cells), but you have to keep repeating it once or twice a year.  It's also a much riskier drug than plaquenil or any of the other drugs I'm currently taking.  

Looking back I think I've had this disorder since I was a teenager, but when I started having a really bad flare that led to a diagnosis, one of my symptoms was extremely dry eyes.  Even though I tested negative for Sjogren's antibodies, my opthamologist gave me a Rx for Restasis (cyclosporine eye drops).  They really helped!  I was able to stop using them after a few months and the problem hasn't returned.  You would think I would be totally dried out with all the antihistamines I'm taking, but I'm not... not at all.

I agree with Lisa/Josie about going to see a real specialist in mast cell disorders.  There aren't many, but they're worth the trip.  I'm going to see Dr. Castells in Boston next month (I live in Indiana).  For now, I would focus on getting a Rx for Gastrocrom... or the more affordable alternative... powdered cromolyn sodium in 200mg capsules, which you can open and mix with water yourself.  That's what Gastrocrom is, only it's prepackaged as a liquid.  My GP is the one who prescribed it for me.  He had never heard of Gastrocrom before, but when I told him, "It's cromolyn sodium," he smiled and pulled out his Rx pad.  Cromolyn sodium is an old, very safe drug that was used to treat asthma before leukotriene inhibitors were invented.

Anyway... welcome to the group!  No question is too silly to ask.  I can really identify with the symptoms you've been experiencing.

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Reply #4 - 05/15/11 at 04:18:55
 
Thank you for your replies.  I was hoping responses would say I was probably way off direction in this forum because as you know it would not be an easy illness to treat.

I am not a young person.  My heart goes out to all the young ones trying to work jobs, manage families with this, and the children-can only think of how hard it would be.  I have children and grandchildren whom I am hoping if I have this they will not.  Gives me added motivation to find out for myself, however.

Being older also means I am not too computer literate.  Proud of myself just to get registered and posted here!

I wil search some more on this forum (can't work search feature yet), then come back with more observations.

By the way, we live in rural Montana.  Marie


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Reply #5 - 05/15/11 at 04:54:16
 
Hi Marie ,

I ahve copies of all of the things I mentioned . I will Pm you my email address Wink do you email Wink ? If not I will post links for you to click on Wink many hugs , Josie
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Reply #6 - 05/15/11 at 06:10:12
 
Hi Heather, Thanks SO much for the helpful info.

Actually I feel pretty stable and well right now compared to a few years ago when I felt downright crummy.  I had my first and only severe attack of throat tightening trip to ER after starting a new drug.  Since then I've found a caring rheumatologist and GI doc, put on Plaquenil and Entocort has helped a lot.  Have taken antihitamins on my own when I sensed "things happening".

Singulair didn't seem to help me, but Xyzal seems to.  I'll have to check on some of the other drugs you mentioned.  I, too, remember having dryness, intestinal problems, hot flashes and spaciness(?) as a teenager.

Thanks again for your interest.  Marie

Josie, I have email, but sorry don't have a clue about pm Smiley
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Reply #7 - 05/15/11 at 06:23:36
 
Hi Marie ,

I will pm you . it will come to you as an email Wink Then you can email me Wink is that ok ? Well give it a try and see ??

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Reply #8 - 05/15/11 at 09:37:54
 
Thank you, Josie, sounds good.  Marie
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Reply #9 - 05/16/11 at 04:15:52
 
Hello again, I keep rereading the posts, trying to decide what to do.  I think I will cautionally add benedryl at night and ask the doctor about cromolyn sodium.  I am concerned about the dryness issues of antihistamines with the sjogrens.

Heather, if you don't mind me asking, did you go to a mast cell specialist to get a diagnosis?  Know you are planning to go to one soon, but don't know if one goes regularly or for an initial evaluation.  

Perhaps I will post on the other threads about medications and proceedure of getting a diagnosis.

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Reply #10 - 05/16/11 at 05:34:39
 
Hi Marie ,

I understand how full on this can be . Especially when you realise you are on the right road Wink

If you can let us know where you live Lisa can advise on a speclaist to visit Wink

Most masto patients have mast cells misbehaving everywhere Wink

I understand your concerns about dryness with sjorns . I do wander if some of your dryness is due to the mast cells as histamine causes loss of fluid into the tissues and in response thrist . So you may find it is imporoved .
Regards your eyes there are ketiofen eye drops , which is a mast cell stabilser , which may be of use .

You could use your fake tears and then ketifen eye drops to enable the best effects and least drying .

Nasal crom , a nasal version of sodium cromulate , is available OTC .

Do you use fake saliva ?? Again , within the prescribing limits , you can use this .

I imagine your skin is very dry . Do you use any creams ? Some masto patients find certian ingredients more problematic . Masto can be in the skin . 2 conditions are well recognised and a study has found more mast cells in the skin of pts with fibrmyalgia . It is an early study requiring repeting to see if the results can be replicated. But indicates mast cells are involoved in many more illnesses than previously realised .  

I use my version of benadryl ( UK ) daily and for rescue Wink Its used in ED here intravenously in anaphylaxis .

many many hugs
Josie
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Reply #11 - 05/16/11 at 06:02:49
 
Hi Josie, thanks for the input.  I use otc eyedrops, aveeno skin creme, drink lots of water, nasal spray and try to lubricate my whole body.  I chose fuchsia as my nickname because if you are famaliar with a fuchsia flower care, that's me!  Have to keep moist, does not do well in heat, hot sun or cold.

Thanks for writing, Marie
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Reply #12 - 05/16/11 at 08:27:47
 
Zaditor and Alaway are two brands of ketotifen eye drops sold in the U.S., but I do think they are prescription.  I get relief from the OTC eye drops that have pheniramine maleate antihistamine in them, but some of those have preservatives.  I also find that steroid nasal sprays and Nasalcrom (cromolyn sodium) nasal spray are less drying.

I find Benadryl a necessary evil at times.  It seems to me to be the most drying of all the antihistamines.  Be sure to try it in the daytime if you haven't taken it before, and with another person present for a couple of hours in case of adverse reaction.

I've gotten so dry in the winter, that I've used olive oil to moisturize my skin.  Of course, I live in a really dry climate!

Great delicate flower analogy!  I've grown fuchsia successfully, but it wasn't easy!  I feel the same way about myself.
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Reply #13 - 05/16/11 at 09:04:11
 
Hi marie ,

The Aveeno may have alcohol in which is a problem for me Wink ( I know I discounted it for some reason ) Aqueous cream is water cream , may be suitable . Do you ahve an alllergist yet ? I  think you would benifit from patch testing as I suspect many products will dry you / cause a reaction .

Several people here have meds made up in compounding pharmacies . This may be a way for you to get taylor made products Wink

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Reply #14 - 05/16/11 at 10:48:06
 
Joan wrote on 05/16/11 at 08:27:47:
Zaditor and Alaway are two brands of ketotifen eye drops sold in the U.S., but I do think they are prescription.

Actually, these are available OTC Smiley  I've seen them at CVS and Target.  If I started having problems with my eyes again, this is what I would try.

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