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04/10/11 at 19:37:22
 
Hello all,  I am from Plano, TX an was totally healthy until 5 months ago.  I was diagnosed with Idiopathic Anaphylaxis after an episode of hypotension, chest pain, shortness of breath, flushing and allergy symptoms resulting in a trip to the ER.  I was then seen by an allergist that gave me the diagnosis of IA.  I did not like this diagnosis so I saw another allergist who diagnosed me with several food allergies and MSG sensitivities instead of IA.

I liked this diagnosis better than the thought of IA.  I was prescribed Zyrtec, Singulair and Zantac and and epi pen and liquid Benadryl as a rescue drug.  

I have drastically changed my diet and stay away from all MSG, peanuts and corn.  However, I continue to have symptoms almost daily.  

In trying to find answers, I have been doing research for answers and that is how I found this forum which has been so helpful!  I appreciate everyone's incredible knowledge about these disorders!
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Reply #1 - 04/11/11 at 01:21:22
 
Hi Gn bailey .

Welcome to our forum Wink

I understand your desire not to have anaphylaxis . I wanted to post my experience in the early part in all this . I ahve been ill for 2 3.4 yrs now .

This is what I wrote at the time :- I have moved it to blogs Wink

I am not saying you are feeling this way , but I wander if some of this chimes with you .

20% of people with IA , MCAD , mastocytosis have true allergy's . Its the same level as in the general population , so you can ahve both ;-( Don't worry , there are a good body of meds for IA / mcad and mastocytosis . Broadly the same . As the common factor is histamine release from mast cells .

I see you are on 3 meds . They are a good start , but , I think , you are under medicated . I have only reached my level in the last month with the addition of hydroxizine .

I am still getting some daily symptoms , but much better than i was . I am not on gastrocrom yet .

This is my doses and meds Wink

Am :-
ranitidine 300mg - zantac
ceterizine 10mg - antihisamine - medium t
piriton 4 mg ( same as clomitron ) drug :- chorpheneramine mealate
hydrocortisone 10mg ( adrenals not working )
hydroxizine 25mg - antihistamine - strong
oxycodone 15mg
paracatamol 1g ( tylenol )- salcilate , be very careful if you are sensitive
cyclizine 50mg - anti histamine , anti sickness
montelukast - singulair 10mg

Inhaler - symbicort 200/6 - slow acting albutarol class drug  and steriods

Lunch :-
paracatamol 1g
piriton 4mg

Tea
paracetamol 1g
piriton 4mg

8pm :-
oxycodone 15mg
Ranitidine 300mg
singulair 10mg
piriton 4mg
hyroxizine 25mg
cyclizine 50mg

Bed
paracetamol 1g

What doses are you on ?

Getting on to a good level of 3 antihistamines will begin to help :-
Heres the list of common medications .

Antihistamines :-
h1 drowsy - benadryl , hydroxizine , ketiofen
h1 non drowsy - ceterizine , allegra
H2 - ranitidine

leucotrine receptor agonists :- singulair

mast cell stabilsers :- gastrocrom , nasal crom

The drugs in black are avalible OTC .  I think , One from each of the 3 top groups are where many of us start . i have to start low and work my dose up , my monkey ( how I see my illness ) is less likely to see it coming in and react . Mast cell stabilsers are normally bought in once you have seen how well the antihistamines work .

This is one of the things you can do whilst you complete testing , I will discuss that more in a moment.

The second thing is - go on the low histamine diet

Suss your triggers . I was certian for 18 months that food was my only problem . Keeping a diary is a good way to help this , write down all foods and everything you touch / use . and your symptoms . include your meds . Many tablets contain corn as you are truely allergic this may be very important to you
My triggers now are :- hormones , infection , emotional and physical stress , heat , foods :- sulphites , alcohol , vinegar , gelatine and corn flour ( has sulphites in ) . Sodium leureth sulphate in toothpastes and bathing products  , cleaning products and fragrances . Diesel fumes .

I ahve some true allergies , cats , grass and house dust .

Trigger managemnt and exclusion are vital in long term mangement .

Tests :-

In the first instance you need a mast cell tryptase 1-2 hrs )  in a reaction and a baseline . If this is negative ( normal ) a methylhistmines and prostoglandin F2 ( from mast cells _

You also need testing for conditions which mimic mastocytosis .
carciniod syndrome :- tests for serotonin and derivatives :- 5-H11A ( 24 hour urine collection ) and a blood test for chromoatogranin A

Pheaocyocythoma  - Cateclamines -  24 hour urine collection and / or bloods for methylephidrines  ,

heredatory angiodeama :- C1 C3 and C4 .

There is also a common autoimmune element , which stimulates extra in born immunity which spilts mast cells and the contesnts in what gives the trouble .
hashimotos thyroidosis ( free T3 and T4 and tyroid pyroxidase enzymes )
adrenal problems ( adrenal antibodies )
lupus ( ANA abd C2 )

This is whats required to truely test for idiopathic anaphylaxis Wink

Histamine becomes available in all these conditions , so honing this down is important to ensure you diagnosis is accurate .

MCAD , is a newer diagnosis , where patients have symptoms of mastocytosis but not the necessary findings . The methylhistamines and prostoglandins will show the direction needed . Many pts with IA on further testing are being diagnosed with mast cell activation disorder . There are 3 vids on you tube I think you will find interesting - mast cell activation symptomology Wink

Dr wise I will leave that to the others who have a better idea of us geography in relation to the specalists . I am in the uk

I will leave it there for now Wink
Josie
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Reply #2 - 04/11/11 at 06:57:03
 
Hi Gn bailey,
Welcome to the board!! We're glad to have you here Smiley

You certainly had an anaphylactic episode but from which condition is the question? One from a true allergy or a medical condition and which condition. I think its kind of strange for a Doctor to diagnosis IA with only 1 episode. Have you had any others?

You do have some common symptoms as a mast cell disorder but.. there are 3 or 4 other major possibilities that also have those symptoms. Stick around and we'll help you with the tests that need to be run to get the answers you need...

While you wait to see what the doctor finds, ask any questions and know we truly care. We're thrilled to have you with us Smiley
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Reply #3 - 04/11/11 at 08:16:22
 
Thanks so much for the responses and I appreciate the support!  I also thought that the quick diagnosis of IA after one episode was upsetting.  I was sure that it was only am allergic response to an MSG laden sauce from Subway.  That doc did draw a tryptase level which came back at 9.4 - for a baseline.  He put me on:

am:
Zyrtec 10 mg
Zantac 300 mg
Singulair 10mg

pm:  
Zyrtec 10mg
Zantac 300 mg

Benadryl as rescue  - usually take it once a day for some random reaction
Epi pen as needed.
I have had one episode that I have needed to use it

So far, 2 calls for paramedics.  A serum tryptase level taken in ER came back at only 10.4

I have found a doc in Dallas that specializes in mastocytosis and asthma at UT Southwestern Medical Center by the name of Dr. Gruchalla.  I see her in June.  Until then, I am staying away from all my known triggers - so far- all MSG, corn, alcohol, and all preservatives.

My second allergist did run a battery of blood tests for:  C3, C4, CH56, C1, Thyroid antibodies, esterase inhibitor, TSH 3
they all came back within normal limits.

So, hoping that I will have some different more definitive testing done in June.

And yes, I am walking around pretty scared.  I have a 2 1/2 day drive back to Texas coming up in a few weeks with my daughter and I am nervous about being in the middle of nowhere and having a major reaction.  On the drive her to LA, I had a minor reaction to the natural gas smell in West Texas.  This time, I plan on wearing a mask for that stretch.  So fashionable!  haha

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Reply #4 - 04/11/11 at 08:34:54
 
Youre tryptase levels coming up do point to masto.. and the meds your doctor put you on are extremely right.. good judgement for a doctor who doesnt know masto, Im quite well pleasantly surprised Smiley

Hey at least with the mask on, people will leave you alone LOL...
kick up that car AC to COLD and if you need to pull over, do it.. make sure you have a cell phone with you. Also write a paper and put it with your epi pen, in case you react and dont want to explain all the details with an ER crew. Use the words, "I have an anaphylactic disorder" They understand how to treat that, you can go into detail later when you feel better. I bet you will do fine Smiley  Keeping you in our prayers..

Let us know what happens!
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Reply #5 - 04/11/11 at 13:22:12
 
Hi GN, welcome to the forum!!

I think that your doctor has a clue, but he's not sure.  The Idopathic Anaphylaxis diagnosis was a bit precipitative, however, with those levels of tryptase it was very astute!!   Normal levels for normal people are below 1ng/mL.  I was told this by a researcher in mast cells at Harvard.  Although the levels are considered "normal" for anyone up to 11ng, this is because there are some conditions which will raise the levels such as smoking and a few very minor things.   However, it's when you look at the bigger picture and take a look at the symptoms along with the elevated tryptase, even though it is not highly elevated, THEN you begin to raise eyebrows.

GN, the mastocytosis researchers and authorities now recognize that there are indeed forms of mastocytosis which will not cause the tryptase to become highly elevated.  Having normal levels will not discard the diagnosis of mastocytosis, but having levels which are above 1ng/mL and symptoms and behavior indicative of mast cell activation throws a very suspicious light upon those patients, which is why your doctor put you on the very typical masto medications!   Your doctor knows that you have masto or he would never have medicated you as he has.  Ramona is right, that doctor, for a doctor who doesn't know masto, certainly is one worth keeping for your future care for it shows that he's either seen and treated masto patients before, or he's a doctor who does an awful lot of study and therefore worth keeping.

As to your going on a trip with your daughter, on this medication regimen, you can relax!!   I'm on this same medicine regimen!!  When I begin reacting for some odd reason, I just take extra antihistamines and everything responds and keeps me out of trouble.  So, if you find yourself flushing and feeling bad during your trip, take an extra zyrtec, that's all!!   If your stress levels are high, then just make sure you don't go more than about 5 hours without an extra antihistamine and then when you are home or at your destination and you don't need those extra meds, you can back off of them with no major issues.

I hope this helps!!

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Reply #6 - 04/11/11 at 16:40:15
 
Thanks so much Lisa for the info about the extra Zyrtec!  That makes me feel so much better!!

You have made me feel better about my first allergist too.  I had all but fired him because I did not think he took me seriously.  I was sure that I just had an allergic reaction to MSG.  But, I started having reactions to foods that were my safe foods and I started to suspect that this was more than just a sensitivity to MSG. So, I found another allergist and he was the one that did skin testing and blood work.  He diagnosed me with severe food allergies but felt that it was not IA.  This is when I found the specialist that I will see in June.  

I feel that I am winging it until I see her in June!  So, I really do appreciate the information that you all have offered in the forum.

I spend all my free time reading the posts!  

Thanks all!
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Reply #7 - 04/11/11 at 18:00:02
 
Hi, and so sorry you've had these problems.  I actually thought I was allergic to MSG, too, when this all started!  I even thought I might have been absorbing it through my skin.  Now I lol at the thought!

Before your trip, you might want to try a couple of additional antihistamines (H1) to have in case you need some.  Hydroxyzine is great medicine, but, like Benadryl, it can be sedating.  Allegra is non-sedating, and it can be taken in between doses of Zyrtec if you need it.  You might also want to ask your doctor about carrying some prednisolone and how to use it if your symptoms increase.  Having all this with you will give you security.

As for a mask, be sure you have one that works on fumes/vapors/gases.  Those can be bought at Home Depot or other home store.  Also, keep your AC on and the vents on "recirculate" when you're going through the "toxic" area.

Have you tried the Low Histamine Diet?  It might be worth trying before and during your trip, and it will help you search out other possible food triggers.  The chart at this address is a good one:   www.urticaria.thunderworksinc.com/pages/lowhistamine.htm

Also, you might want to check out the wallet card for people with mast cell disorders and the packet of info at:  www.TMSforacure.org
if you haven't seen it already.  It has detailed info regarding meds to avoid.

I hadn't heard of Dr. Gruchalla before, but I looked her up.  She looks well-trained on paper in allergy and immunology (M.D., PhD), but I didn't see anything specific regarding mast cell disorders.  Before you make a long trip like that, it might be a good idea to send her your testing so far and ask what additional she plans to do in her work-up.  You might be able to have some other tests done before you see her.  Also, there are people on this forum with a lot of medical knowledge, and they will know if the best testing protocol is being followed.

If I were making a difficult trip, I'd also ask what training and experience she has for mast cell diseases.  I don't have a specific reason to be wary, except that there are very few true mast cell disorder experts, and many people have been frustrated seeing doctors who really didn't have enough knowledge to diagnose and treat properly.  It would be good to know how many mast cell patients she's seen.

All that said, it would be great to find another true expert in the southwest part of the country!  Most seem to be in the East.  Hope you get some answers soon!
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Reply #8 - 04/11/11 at 18:31:47
 
Welcome Gaynell, Well I have to say at first I was shocked/jealous at your instant diagnosis of IA! But you should also be thankful even if it's not it, that is a good emergency diagnosis protocol for docs to start in an emergency situation.  In which you've already had. You may be correct and this isn't it and you have just developed some allergies. You are much more sensitive after an "episode" so your bod may calm down. If you are on the road to a mast cell disorder this is the place to do your research and it's fantastic you've begun to educate yourself while in the testing process. Rather than after the fact! I've been ill for 24 plus years, I've have true allergies to foods/chemicals/ drugs/preservatives/dyes/insects/ in all of that time along with severe reactions even in front of doctors. Also a ton of intolerance's which tend to give me bigtime gastro issues.The one time I did go to the ER they didn't believe me but did decide to "premedicate for allergic reaction" to the cat scan they wanted to give me because they were sure it was appendicitis,,,,,, guess who's abdominal pain, vomiting, low bp, got better on the benadryl and prednisone pre med for the test and guess who needed more after the "non allergic dye"
Still not even a diagnosis of IA!
Anyway, you did have an anaphylactic episode, if it is just allergy, then you will be able to eliminate the offenders and keep an epi and be well!  Intolerance's will cause you trouble, they don't "test" positive so you are the lab! You get to figure it out! Those with a lot of gastrointestinal issues have a lot of intolerance's. really they are triggers however most people recognize intolerance. Instead of an allergy or intolerance, the offending item triggers the mast cell degranulation. No matter the title, emergency treatment of all are the same, antihistamines, steroids etc, patient specific!
I'm hoping you are not on the road to a mast cell disorder and will just be able to avoid your allergens. This sure did come on fast. But your set of docs really seems to be on the bandwagon for getting you figured out. It is so scary isn't it? Lisa's advice is so exact with the extra medication when you feel something coming on. I just re read everyones response, don't like you're new triggers are preservatives, and gas etc. I sooooo understand those along with the corn and many more. Please really check into the inert ingredients in the medications you will try, brands all use different ones and corn, milk and the dreaded pregelatinized startch which can be from all sorts of sources, they put that lovely one in all of the "1 a day or 24 hr" pills. I have to take the smaller mg more often and they don't have that in them. I'm guessing thats what makes the pill "last so long". My comment on your mask would be to make sure it's a carbon type of mask, a normal dust/particulate mask will do absolutely nothing but filter particulates not chemicals. Do a search and you'll find some, you can search multiple chemical sensitivity and masks. Don't forget to put the vehicle air on "recirculate" that will help with outside issues. Although I am sick a lot and to a lot of things I still am a fighter, many people had not clue I had this issue until recently, when I've finally had to say no or actually let people now know do not come over wearing perfume.  I live a full life, frustrated at times yes, I don't dwell on what I can't do, A pity party is due sometimes yes, but then I'm thankful for all I do have. You will become tuned in to your body and will be able to get yourself out of trouble before it's too late. Also I premedicate when I know the probability of me having a more serious reaction is much greater. Going to someones house , to the mall or shopping in general  I take two benadryl along with the other antihistimine protocol. I do tolerate a particular coffee so I do my benadryl with a chaser of coffee Smiley, other times I will take extra other antihistimines as many have noted, it really does help. Dye free benadryl is my lifesaver, it works when the going gets tough! I wanted to suggest you get that, you mentioned you had liquid, just make sure you're not having issue with it, it is full of no bueno ingredients. I order the dye free on amazon, got sick of running all over town to find it. As Ramona said pre print a paper and wrap it around your epi pen of your current meds/allergies, also have one in your purse for and educate your daughter. I would also have emergency protocol printed out for the mast cell degranulating drugs. just as a safety precaution, you already react to many things now, so they should not take a chance with those particular drugs. I believe they have an emergency protocol section here so check that out. Ok I've rambled, sorry I started out replying to your first message then noticed your second added and changed my response to fit the second bit of info you supplied! Thats what I get for only getting on here so late!!! I always jump on when I'm tired from the rat race then have trouble making sense! In conclusion, IA is a fantastic diagnosis from an emergency perspective, in which you've already shown to have more than one episode, you'd rather have that than, no diagnosis and then they tell you" no it's probably your gallbladder or your appendix, or just female issues,  nowdays everyone thinks they are allergic to everything! "  A lot of  ER's are still in the mindset that anaphalaxis is only when you cannot breathe and have hives. Also remember that we've all had terrible anaphalaxis episodes and have come out of them! Many times thanks to premedicating and medicating quickly at the onset specific symptoms we are able to totally prevent a full monty episode.
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Reply #9 - 04/13/11 at 17:41:30
 
Thanks guys, I really appreciate the tips!  You have all made me feel better about my upcoming trip and even for my diagnosis of IA!!!
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Reply #10 - 04/14/11 at 08:42:38
 
Hi Gn Bailly,

You mentioned the fear factor . i spent a long time feeling that i was waiting to be run down by a bus , but did not know when or how bad it would be . then I sussed it Wink My epi pen works Wink It does what it says on the tin .

So try and be at peace Wink You ahve what you need to be safe .

The tests your allergist ran excluded heridatory angiodeama ( type 1 and 2 ) a third type exists which can be considered if antihistamines do not work . From what you have said they do Wink
The normal thyroid antibodies rules out hashimotos thyroidosis

The tryptase is below the mastcytosis level . One thing I would say is that comparing it to a base line is important . So having one drawn anytime when you are stable for you , would be wise Wink

I pre medicate for journeys and use extra medications as others have described . Aircon is my best friend . bear in mind to put the air on circulating within the car so as not to draw warm air in .  i find diesel fumes an issue and it is well documented as a mast cell trigger . My Uk equivelent of bendryl works well for me in this .

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