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Reply #15 - 02/07/14 at 20:50:15
 
I didn't see an H2 histamine blocker, such as Zantac (ranitidine) or Pepcid (famotidine) on your list of meds.  If you are having histamine releases in your stomach, these medicines can help a lot.  Histamine stimulates acid production in the GI system. Some people take up to 150-300 mg Zantac, twice a day or 10-20 mg Pepcid, twice a day.

Using a longer acting antihistamine, such as Zyrtec, might help you feel better in the mornings.  10 mg. is often the dose that's helpful.

Of course, as with any Rx or over the counter meds, do run these by your
doctor before starting anything new. Also, only start one new medicine at a time, one every few days.

Hope one of those works. One other thought...  If the docs want you to have a colonoscopy or an oral prep before testing, be sure to talk this over with a mast cell doctor before the tests.
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Reply #16 - 02/08/14 at 06:37:46
 
Thank you for your response.  My doctor did prescribe 20mg omeprazole twice daily.  I take that and an allegra in the morning and benedryl at bedtime.  Usually 1/2 hour after I get up in the morning the heartburn starts and lasts until late afternoon.  I try follow a low histamine diet so I'm not sure what is the trigger.  I'm considering eating just a few safe foods for awhile to see if I can find out what is causing this.

This started about 11 months ago.  Bladder issues and within a few weeks noticed an increased heart rate with high histamine foods.  Then a few weeks later the heartburn started.

I have colonoscopies every 3 years due to family history and have never had a problem with the prep.  A few months ago I had one and with every glass of prep I drank my nose got very stuffy.  That had never happen in prior times.

If mast cells are found in my upper GI area does that mean that I have SM?
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Reply #17 - 02/08/14 at 18:21:32
 
A tryptase level of 11 is not normal but with systemic mastocytosis it is much higher which means you most likely have MCAS.
Healthy people have tryptase levels between 3 and 5.


CM is diagnosed by the presence of typical skin lesions and a positive skin biopsy demonstrating characteristic clusters of mast cells. The preferred method of diagnosing is via bone marrow biopsy. The World Health Organization (WHO) has established criteria for diagnosing SM, restated below:

Major Criterion:
Multifocal dense infiltrates of mast cells (>15 in aggregate) in tryptase-stained biopsy sections of the bone marrow or of another extracutaneous organ.

Minor Criterion:
1. In biopsy of bone marrow or other extracutaneous organ(s), more than 25% of the mast cells show abnormal morphology (that is, are atypical mast cell type I or are spindle-shaped) in multifocal lesions in histological examination.
2. Detection of a point mutation at codon 816 in the KIT receptor gene. This may be found in bone marrow, blood or other internal organ.
3. KIT-positive mast cells in bone marrow, blood, or other internal organs are found to express CD2 and/or CD25.
4. Serum total tryptase level persistently greater than 20 ng/mL. This criterion cannot be used if the patient has a clonal non-mast cell associated hematological disorder.

The presence of one major and one minor criteria or three minor criteria constitute the diagnosis of systemic mastocytosis.
http://tmsforacure.org/patients/mastocytosis_explained_2.php
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Reply #18 - 02/09/14 at 13:17:25
 
Is mcas a progressive disease?  Do symptoms get worse or new symptoms appear? Can this become SM?  This is all so confusing but I think I read that mast cells create stomach acid.  Is it possible that I have mast cells in my bladder and that is what is causing the heartburn?

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Reply #19 - 02/09/14 at 16:52:11
 
The mast cells in your bladder would not be causing your heartburn, but mast cells in the stomach can.  Mast cells produce histamine which stimulates the production of hydrochloric acid by the cells in the lining of the stomach.  Too much histamine, too much acid.

At this point there's no reason to worry about SM.  there is good reason to stay strictly on a low histamine diet for a while and see if you can figure out if and which foods are triggering your symptoms.

in a prior post, I mentioned that H2 can help with hyperacidity.  Ask your doctor about that.
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Reply #20 - 02/10/14 at 14:00:32
 
So having mast cells in your stomach isn't SM?  Is it common to have mast cells in the stomach?  I will check into H2 meds.
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Reply #21 - 02/10/14 at 17:58:02
 
No, it's not necessarily SM.  for example, there is another disorder, Mastocytic Enterocolitis, that can cause lots of GI symptoms.  It's treated with probiotics, H2 antihistamines, and sometimes with bromelain.  If you look it up and think that's what you have, there are two experts, one in Colorado and one in Oklahoma City, who can treat it.
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Reply #22 - 02/10/14 at 23:55:46
 
Mastocytic Enterocolitis is just (another) form of MCAS where more mast cells are found as usual. I do not believe that this biopsy is helpful in diagnosis,  but in research it is.
Everyone has mast cells in the stomach. The problem are mutated mast cells and clusters of mutated mast cells. Mutated mast cells react easier and stronger to triggers and when they are in GI Tract you will have problems with food triggers.

MCAS is progressive as mutated mast cells get more and more. I had GI symptoms my whole life but I didn't know where the problems came from. In my 20ies I got headaches, muscle pain and crushing fatigue. I needed some time to find out which triggers to avoid and started to take ketotifen, singulair, desloratadine, milnacipran (helps for the energy and depression) which helped a little. But it still progresses...

In later years of life it becomes less burdening because mast cells die after about 10 years and less are produced. I also have hope in science and new meds like Tyrosine-kinase inhibitors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrosine-kinase_inhibitor

SM may develop from MCAS but it is rare. It depends on the mutation. It is more likely with C-Kit D816V mutation. DNA sequencing will bring some more insight in the coming years.

You may want to read some scientific papers to get more first hand infos:
http://mastopedia.wordpress.com/  In my opinion it has too much articles
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24192267
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24098785
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21418662

Afrin LB and Molderings GJ are the front-line in research of new pharmaceuticals for MCAS.


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Reply #23 - 02/23/14 at 15:39:56
 
Everyone has mast cells throughout the GI tract, but some people have an over-proliferation of them, and that can be diagnosed as M.E.  I asked Dr. Lewey, who has treated over 500 patients with Mastocytic Enterocolitis, and he feels M.E. will eventually be classified along with other mast cell disorders, but as of now is considered a separate, rare disorder.  M.E. can occur due to an over-proliferation of mutated or non-mutated mast cells.

An over-proliferation of any type of mast cell can cause severe symptoms, because too many mediators for the body to manage are released.  The value of biopsies, done during colonoscopies and endoscopic procedures, is to diagnose the over-proliferation of mast cells in the GI tract (M.E.), which is then treated with a protocol of diet, supplements, and medications.  Last year Dr. Lewey said he has an 80% cure rate with his protocol on patients with M.E.  So testing is important in order for people with M.E. to have a chance to be cured.  

If there are many mast cells, clusters of mast cells, or malformed mast cells, then a tryptase test is done and the samples can be evaluated for gene defects that would rule in or out other diagnoses, such as SM.  While symptoms in SM patients may be helped by the M.E. protocol, it will not cure SM.

Regarding MCAS, some experts feel there are abnormal genes involved in  it, but the mutations have not yet been found.  Others feel that it involves mast cells that malfunction and release mediators inappropriately for unknown reasons.  Its diagnosis is based on patient symptoms, temporarily elevated tryptase and/or other mast cell mediators, and symptom response to antihistamines and other medications.

There are differing opinions regarding progression of MCAS.  Some doctors feel it's a precursor to SM, and that those whose disease progresses were always SM.  Others feel it isn't progressive and usually can be controlled effectively by medications, diet, and lifestyle modifications.

In a recent publication (to which Bruce recently posted a link), Dr. Afrin says that mast cells live from several months to several years, but he is writing about MCAS.  In SM mast cells live a lot longer than normal mast cells.  Because the mutated mast cells reproduce faster than they die off, the total numbers increase over time.

Spartako, I couldn't find anything written about mast cells dying after about 10 years and fewer being produced as we get older.  Do you have a reference I can read?  I'd like to know more about that aspect of SM.  I always thought proliferation continues throughout life, but at a slower or faster pace depending on how aggressive the SM is.

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Reply #24 - 02/25/14 at 01:23:15
 
Hello,

You mentioned your doctor thought you may have GERD and that may explain your stomach problems.  I was also told that about four years ago but I recently was diagnosed with eosinophilic esophagitis by a mast cell specialist.  Getting an endoscopy and biopsies of your GI tract is a good idea so long as the doctor knows what to look for.  Eosinophilic esophagitis also produces an elevated level of mast cells along with the elevated eosinophils.  Like MCAS, this is also a relatively newly discovered disorder so many doctors are not familiar with it.

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Reply #25 - 03/01/14 at 20:28:38
 

What treatment is being recommended for the E.E., if you don't mind sharing that?
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Reply #26 - 03/02/14 at 12:06:37
 
Hi Joan,

I have Eosinophilic Esophagitis too, and my doctor at Mayo has me on Zantac 150mg 3-4 times/day, depending on symptoms, and a Flovent inhaler that I swallow instead of inhaling (decreases inflammation in the throat).  He wanted me on a PPI, but I had reactions to all of the ones I tried, and they caused severe stomach pain for me, so the Zantac works in place of that. They are trialing Singulair for EoE, and I read somewhere that cromolyn/ketotifen could possibly treat it as well.
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Reply #27 - 06/11/14 at 15:00:46
 
I had a GI scope with biopsy for mast cells and all was normal. They didn't find any reason for the heartburn.  One of the doctors I saw said that I could have mast cells somewhere in my body and that could be triggering the heartburn.   I tried the zantac and prescription meds but nothing takes away the heartburn.  I'm just careful of what I eat.  I do know that when I don't follow the low histamine diet my bladder bothers me and the heartburn and belly burn gets worse.
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Reply #28 - 06/11/14 at 17:31:04
 
You can have a normal number of mast cells and mast cells that appear normal under a microscope, but which still function abnormally.  Those abnormally functioning mast cells tend to release mediators inappropriately in reaction to things that wouldn't affect a normal mast cell.  The release of mediators triggers a reaction.  So, the heartburn could still be caused by mast cells behaving inappropriately.

I don't know if this will work for you, but I find that liquid Benadryl is helpful to me when I have indigestion.  It's counter-intuitive, since Benadryl primarily affects H1 receptors, but for me, it helps.  If I'm flaring or reacting to something, I'll sometimes take 40 mg. of Pepcid.  People can also take up to 300 mg. Zantac.  It helps.

A friend of mine's daughter recently saw a pediatric GI specialist who is familiar with mast cell disorders.  The doctor recommended that she try taking budesonide orally.  It's a mild steroid that is sometimes used for Crohn's patients.  Has anyone else been prescribed a steroid for stomach issues?
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