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How successfully have you managed muscle pain ?
06/24/13 at 01:27:39
 
Listmates,

I'm having increasing difficulty with crippling hip pain.  I noticed other members suffered with this, as well.   I cannot walk when I have this pain, and it is hard for me to even move at all just lying in bed.  It is putting into question my ability to live independently.   I was looking for some imput on how successfully this pain could be managed, so I can structure my future plans in life appropriately.

Thanks in advance,
Todd in Tenn.
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Re: How successfully have you managed muscle pain ?
Reply #1 - 06/25/13 at 16:06:00
 
A lot of people swear by tumeric for exactly this type problem - muscle and joint pain as well as overall mast cell symptoms improvement. I just started experimenting with trying it myself by adding 1/2 tsp to food once a day, but then I got a virus (not mast cell related) and stopped any experimenting while I was taking antibiotics. I am just now getting better and going to start the tumeric again. People say that they have been able to stop taking Tylenol and ibuprofen because the tumeric helped them so much. So you might want to investigate that.
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Reply #2 - 06/26/13 at 00:56:17
 
Although cromolyn sodium (Gastrocrom) is prescribed for GI symptoms, it also helped me with joint pain.  I was having problems with my hips, knees, ankles, shoulders, elbows... even the small joints in my hands and feet.  It was miserable Sad  I couldn't sleep for more than an hour or two in one position.  The pain gradually went away as the medication reached its full effectiveness (around 2-3 months).

By the way... are you sure nothing else is contributing to the pain?  Fibromyalgia?  Arthritis?  If you haven't seen a doctor already, now would be a good time.  The reason I ask is that you might find other medications that can help.  My mom takes Lyrica for fibromyalgia.  I've read that antidepressants also help with fibro pain, since the underlying problem is a brain that overreacts to stimuli.

Good luck!  Pain sucks Angry
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Re: How successfully have you managed muscle pain ?
Reply #3 - 06/28/13 at 07:48:20
 
Thank you Deborah, and Starflower.   Pain is miserable.

I could retest Tumeric again now that I am better medicated, but traditionally it made my skin burn something awful.   Good idea though as it inhibits inflammation.

I will be shortly transitioning to chromolyn sodium as I know that is a good med. for me.  I hope that helps.   I'm pretty certain my pain problems are mast cell related.   And I suspect experiments with Zantac OTC brought on this latest blow up.   Apparently, Zantac OTC makes my skin burn, and makes me increasingly reactive.   I've been off it a couple of days now, and I already feel 100% better.

My list of good meds. is getting increasingly narrow.   Doxepin, Allegra, Chromolyn.   No Ketotifen.  No Zantac.   No Neuroprotek.  

Thanks again for the responses.   I REALLY appreciate the support.
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Reply #4 - 07/07/13 at 14:43:07
 
Have you considered getting your meds compounded? Many times its a dye or preservative in OTC meds.  Not saying it can't be the active ingredient b/c both my son and I react to actives as well.

In terms of pain, my 5 1/2 yr old son gets joint paint (mostly legs) from specific foods, latex, chlorine, and some meds. If he has a pain flare I treat with Benadryl. It usually takes 2-3 doses to help. He's also on sodium cromolyn which has been a game changer in our lives.

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Reply #5 - 08/24/13 at 05:03:00
 
Benadryl.   Why didn't I think of that ?

What kind do you use ?
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Reply #6 - 08/24/13 at 05:49:29
 
Our Benadryl is compounded. The active ingredient is diphenhydramine. We get ours in a gel capsule but you could get a veggie cap if you don't tolerate gelatin.

There's a weather/ seasonal component flaring my son right now which is triggering anaphylaxis (throat swelling, stomach pain and joint pain). He's on Benadryl every 5 hrs in addition to a steroid and its keeping his symptoms at bay.

Good luck, I hope it works for you.
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Reply #7 - 08/26/13 at 08:18:52
 
I have had a lot of luck with trigger point massage.  Trigger points are little knots in your muscles that tend to settle in and cause a lot of trouble.  Often you can feel them if you massage a painful area of muscle.  I tend to have many of these sensitive points in my muscles and they can cause pain to the surrounding area, or sometimes refer pain to areas farther away from the trigger point.  They get worse when I am exposed to my MCAD triggers.  

My shoulder is one trouble spot.  I have at times had excruciating pain that made it difficult to move but it was cleared up through massage therapy.  

If you think this is a problem, you can search for a massage therapy professional in your area who is trained in "trigger point release" to work on the spots.

You can read more here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigger_point
and about referred pain patterns, including for hip pain:
http://www.triggerpoints.net/hip-thigh-knee.htm

I hope you find some relief soon!
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Reply #8 - 02/17/14 at 16:47:55
 
HI Zippy, I suffer from severe leg pains, muscle and bone..I started to use vitamine C powder and Magnesium powder in high doses about a year ago and have improved out of sight. My pain was terrible in the mornings and could barely get out of bed. Every joint was swollen, sore and painful. Walking was a nightmare especially up hills or stairs. It felt like I had run 50 miles with a bag of rocks on my back..my muscles seem to be screaming at me. I did a bit of reading up on Mast Cell and found that taking Vit C and Magnes was good so I gave it a try. I played around with it and noticed if I took a high dose for a few days and dropped it to what the bottle said my pain decreased to a great deal. I know that all of us are different what are triggers for some may not be for others, all i suggest it perhaps give it a try. Be careful though sometimes some bright spark thinks he's cleaver flavouring the magnesium with berries so read the label and only buy plain magnesium powder. I have had MCAD for many years now, I was undiagnosed for 3 years and for a period of time thought I was going to die. I am now doing really well, I am 51 years old and have for the first time taken to riding a skate board (Long With Paddle) with my 14 year old son. It is not something I do everyday, and only on my good days, but the fact that I can do it is a miracle to say the least. Through persistence,and the willingness to never give up I have found a way to keep improving.
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Reply #9 - 03/01/14 at 05:45:03
 
I was diagnosed with FM 14 years ago, which in hindsight was probably a mast cell disorder (have been diagnosed with secondary MCAS but have not had a BMB). I did not have the standard trigger points at the time. My allergist sent me to an unconventional rheumatologist who prescribed yoga. He has a yoga studio in his office. You could have knocked me over with a feather at the time but I figured it couldn't hurt me and my choices at the time were slim. At the start I could not lift 5 pounds without pain. At the start it felt like the right thing to do in spite of the fact that it hurt. I progressed from yoga to ice skating with my husband (which we did a little in our twenties). From there we went to ice dancing competitively (we have two national titles in the adult category). I also have asthma and AERD so it bothers me when the rink is cold, but I put a fleece gaitor over my mouth and nose when it is bad and skate until the swelling in my nose gets too painful. I also have taken pilates lessons (private ones, not in a class).

All of this took a long time. The key is to start very small and work up slowly. It helped us to do something that we love to do also. It also helps to keep from exercise that jars the body such as biking, yoga, etc. I still have muscle, joint, and what feels like fascia pain, but it is much less debilitating and my physical conditioning is now outstanding.  It also helps keep both my husband and my spirits up, through the diagnosis of our son with serious mental illness and our efforts to help him. It's tough for those with chronic issues to keep moving but the body can only rest for so long without degenerating. If you try this let me know how you are doing.
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Reply #10 - 05/11/14 at 07:10:21
 
This was an interesting thread to read through. I am a 61 y/o female with MCAS. I get excruciating pain in my shin muscles and feet (feet will distort) and this usually happens in the evening. I have read that MCAS can affect the esophagus. I have no joint pain and no pelvic pain.

Would this be one of the smooth muscles that could be affected by MCAS? Is there anything that can be done to provide immediate relief? I have tried gimp-walking and heating pads, but it seems mostly to have to run its course than anything.

I just received my first Xolair shot a few days ago. Does anyone know if Xolair would also help with this muscle pain? I had excruciating pain in those areas again last night.

Would any form of exercising help? I've been unable to exercise for a long time and thought about trying. I walked 20 minutes yesterday and today, which was a struggle for me. Does anyone know if any of our medical mast cell leaders have any material about how to introduce exercise or anything about muscle spasms?

Thanks a mil!

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Reply #11 - 05/22/14 at 17:15:22
 
I have used Epsom salt soaks for muscle cramping/spasming.  The magnesium is absorbed through the skin.  Magnesium can be taken orally, too, but that can cause diarrhea.  In a bath or with a foot soak, use as directed on the package. 20 minutes is recommended, but no more or again, diarrhea can develop.

Increasing potassium can lessen muscle cramps if you are low on it.  Also, dehydration can cause it, even if it's mild.  Be sire to drink lots of water and other liquids every day.  Bananas, if you can eat them, are a good source of potassium.
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Re: How successfully have you managed muscle pain ?
Reply #12 - 05/24/14 at 12:30:29
 
I've read research that links Fibromyalgia to MCAD. I don't have the link right off the bat, but if just googled it. I have both Fibro and MCAD and find they do not play well together. The pain sets off the MCAD flare and vice versa. I see a pain doctor to manage my Fibro. He's an anesthesiologist, so he is aware of mast cell disorders. I take several medications in conjunction to try and deal with the pain. For me, meds that directly impact nerve pain (Lyrica, neurontin, etc) cause mast cell degranulation. So I take traditional narcotic pain meds.

I have been doing research in mast cells and pain and was surprised to learn that we have mast cells in our central nervous system, particularly at the nerve endings and in the neurons in our brains. It explains why I my pain increases when I have a mast cell freak out.  Smiley
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Reply #13 - 06/29/14 at 07:54:29
 

Hi Todd!
I dont manage my pain level very well. I am in miserable pain more than I am out of pain, but I do have a WONDERFUL Pain clinic Dr. When I do get out of pain, I say, "Wow, this is what its like to feel normal again."  I take Vicodan 10 mg, 4 times a day. I also have Tramadol 50 mg that I take between the Vicodan. (the longer you take an opiod the more your body gets used to it. This protects you from that happening). I also take 800 mg of Neurontin 3 times a day and it is a blessing to me (HUGE). I also have Lidocaine 5% ointment to use topically and another ointment MLLP that is compounded for me and works like a magic cream. I would bet that you are much like me and chronic itching makes the pain worse. That MLLP really helps with curbing it.

I would also agree with everyone here and say that many times, pain levels not cooperating mean you arent medicated enough with anti-histamines. Try adding something like Allegra 180 mg (talk to your Dr about this).

I want to tell you that Zantac is a GREAT med for us masto people but--I cant take over the counter Zantac either. Get a RX for 300 mg Zantac. Tell the pharmacy that you want the orange pills that have a pepperment coating and see if that helps you. You will find that certain meds must be a specfic pills to work... something about the masto does this.

One last thing to consider; Mast cells are called the "Gateway to the Immune System," and masto disorders often come with other auto mmune disorders. Many of those disorders have their own pain levels and can make life a bit hard. Make sure you see a Dr that is educated in auto immune diseases and keep an open mind. I know how hard it is when Drs start diagnosing some new syndrome every month, but you can handle it. Prioritize what you feel and see a Dr like an Allergy Specialist or Rhuematologist and a Dr who treats pain only.

Lastly, start a routine that will help you start your day. I keep my pain pills and bottled water next to my bed. I also keep the pain ointment and my scheduled medicine pill box next to me too. I take those, rub a bit of ointment on and dose off for a bit until it all takes effect. Then I can move and walk easier.

Im sorry for the hand youve been dealt but get stubborn and know we are here for you!!
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Ramona
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