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Newbie with breathing questions, need advice&looking for words of hope
04/28/13 at 08:32:38
 
Hello everyone, I am new to this forum.  I have been referred to Dr. Castells at Brigham and Women's Hospital (I was given a choice in Boston, so I went with Dr. Castells but I've heard good things about both her and Dr. Atkin I believe his name is?)  I am sitting here with terrible breathing issues.  I haven't been able to breathe right for about a year now.  Had issues back in 2010 also here and there along with other symptoms that I have now like ithing, flushing, feeling like my throat is swelling, heart palpitations, abdominal pain, frequent headaches, etc.  Sometimes it seems that my symptoms will quiet down a bit, but then either stress, lack of sleep or something makes them come back.  

My worst symptom is BREATHING.  It is constant, although is goes from breathing a little better, to not breathing well, to harder breathing, to terrible breathing.  Does anyone know why this is happening or have any suggestions on how to make this better?  For a while, I was taking omeprazole, and this seemed to help me out somewhat with breathing, I don't know why, but I ended up having extreme pain in my spine, ribcage area, my back especially near kidney area and my sides, and when I stopped taking the omeprezole, it seemed to all go away slowly.
I also have scoliosis, but it has never caused any problems like this before, so I am 98% sure it was the omeprazole.

I don't handle medication well, so I am the first to admit that I really don't like taking them unless I absolutely have to.  My doctor told me to start taking 10 mg of zyrtec a day and a baby asprin.  I haven't started the baby aspririn yet...I put that on hold for now, although, today I just started the zyrtec (5 mg for now because sometimes is seems 10 is too much for me)  My trptase test was normal, but my prostaglandin test was high (I'll have to find the exact name of that test).  She said the aspirin should decrease the prosaglandin amount and then she would retest me in a month.  I don't know what to do.  This is the doctor that I am seeing right now who, bless her soul, is the first doctor to listen to me and make any sense out of all my symptoms and not look at me like I have 6 heads.    She said she wanted me to go to Brigham and Womens and get my tests done there because she said she didn't want to do them at her hospital and then have Boston REDO them, especially if I have to have a bone marrow biopsy, which she believes I need to have done.  So, I have been waiting for my appointment which was made in March, and I can't get in until late July.  

Does anyone know if Aspirin will help with symptoms?  I guess when your body seems to be allergic to everything and you seem to be one of those people that gets every side effect of every medication, you really don't want to take anything, and I am afraid of REYE's Syndrome from Aspirin, as I have read that not just children get this disease.  Has anyone taken the aspirin therapy before?

If anyone has any ideas on breathing issues....I would be so grateful!  

Does anyone know anything about Prognosis?  Do people live a normal life span with this?   It's hard waiting....but I hear Dr. Castells is worth it, although I wonder if I should ask if Dr. Atkin if he can get me in sooner with him?  Not sure what to do.  This is all so scary and I could use your advice.  Thank you so much.

Google doesn't offer much reading for Mast Cell issues with any hope.  There have to be articles with a little hope in it.....somewhere....It's nice to have this site to come to.  My children need me and I have to fight this fight for them.  Thank you so much.
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Re: Newbie with breathing questions, need advice&looking for words of hope
Reply #1 - 04/28/13 at 11:50:56
 
I too have been having worsening breathing issues of late. Initially they would come and go but lately much more constant. Could it be the spring??? I don't have any congestion. Mine feels like I have to do all the hard work of breathing in and out...sometimes I realize I am even holding my breath. It is not happening naturally but takes a great deal of effort. What are your issues like? I have heard Dr.Castells is the best! I saw Dr. Afrin because I was able to get in. I too have elevated prostoglandins and an elevated tryptase. I take Claritin but need to add more meds in. I react horribly to meds so I hesitate, probably too much.
Good luck and let me know how the breathing is going for you!
Happy spring! Angelloz
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Re: Newbie with breathing questions, need advice&looking for words of hope
Reply #2 - 04/28/13 at 13:02:53
 
Hi!  Thank you for responding.  Your breathing issues sound so much like mine.  I don't have congestion either.  I can't get a good breath in and I can't get a good breath out.  It's like shallow breathing, and I feel like sometimes I get stuck after I let a breath out and I don't realize it, and I have to remind myself to take in a breath.  Sometimes it gets labored, and I don't even want to talk because I get out of breath.  I'm not sure of any pattern yet..sometimes it gets a Little better and then I have times where it is bad.  I'm really hoping that Dr. Castells will have some ideas on how to help with my breathing.  I don't do well with inhalers, so I don't what she'll suggest.  Did you have to try the aspirin therapy?  I too, hesitate with medicine.  I've had some really bad luck in the past with horrible side effects, so I tend to ask a lot more questions than doctors probably care to answer that's for sure.  Are your breathing problems constant, or do they come and go?  Mine are constant, and it's really become my biggest battle...Thanks so much for responding!!
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Re: Newbie with breathing questions, need advice&looking for words of hope
Reply #3 - 04/28/13 at 21:21:08
 
Hi VT, welcome to our forum!   I hope we can help you!


As to your breathing problems, can you describe them more for us please?  Masto does create these issues and I'm sure Dr. Castells will address them for you.  I would like to hear, however, how you are being affected, in what ways you are having difficulty in breathing.  

As to masto being a horrible disease, please allow me to put you at peace about that.   Masto is not one of these horrible diseases which either disfigures you or leaves you a veggetable or kills you in months.  Yes, it's a very challenging disease and it has it's dangerous, aggressive form which can indeed do some of these things, but for the VAST MAJORITY of us, masto will do nothing more than make you horrendously allergic, something that limits us but that we can live with.  Most of our "allergicness"  is really pseudo-allergies and they can be brought under control for the most part when you are on the proper medications and are keeping an eye on your triggers and trying to control your atmosphere and things which are potential triggers for you.  It's a complex disease to manage at times, but the more you study and learn about what triggers you and how your body responds, the easier it is to manage.  

As to the scary stuff you've read, most of that is on the aggressive form of mastocytosis, which is an extremely rare form of mast cell disorder.   These patients are EASILY DIAGNOSED since when their masto comes out of hiding it comes out aggressively and the lab tests absolutely SCREAM at the doctors letting them easily know that something is terribly WRONG!   These patients are easily diagnosed since their tests are so very bad.  If your doctors have been poking about for months and years even in your case then I can happily reassure you right now that you DO NOT have aggressive masto!!!  They would have found it by now!

Instead, you are like the vast majority of us, with a case of mast cell disorder which is just a regular pain in the neck to live with!   Our symptoms and the severity of those symptoms have nothing to do with the severity of the disease, which is not the rule for most illnesses.   We all think, the sicker I feel the worse my illness must be, right?  WRONG!!   In masto this is defintely NOT the case and this is just one more confusing part of the disease.   Masto is very difficult for doctors to diagnose for this reason.  Those of us who can be as sick as dogs often don't have anything wrong with our blood and urine tests to reinforce how sick we get!!!  This is just one apparent contradiction which masto presents.  

So, let me put you AT PEACE!!   YOU ARE NOT DYING!!   YOU WILL LIVE TO BE A LITTLE OLD LADY WITH THIS DISEASE.   This is exactly what one of my doctors told me - Lisa, you will not die FROM masto, but instead will die at 99 WITH masto!!    Cheesy    

So I hope this gives you some peace!!!!!   And if you have teenagers right now you are at that "I don't really like Mom" phase then you can nicely tell them that they aren't going to be rid of you anytime soon, that you'll still be around to be on their cases for a while longer yet!   Grin  (I have my last teen who is 15 and two who are thankfully now in their early 20s! Smiley )

I hope this helps!

Lisa


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Re: Newbie with breathing questions, need advice&looking for words of hope
Reply #4 - 04/29/13 at 03:20:02
 
EXCELLENT POST, LISA!!!!  I can't emphasize enough how correct Lisa is in everything that she has written. She is 100% correct.

Lisa, let's repost your reply somehow as a sticky at the top of a category, because people need to know that masto does not affect their longevity and that they don't need to be scared out of their wits by this diagnosis.
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Reply #5 - 04/29/13 at 05:28:32
 
Thank you so much Lisa and Deborah for your posts.  All I can think about are my two boys, 8 and 5 and whether or not I will see them graduate.  It weighs on me and your words have really uplifted me.  I guess I think the worst because my breathing and my abdomonial/digestion seems to be involved, and from what I have read and tried to understand, that the more organs involved, the worst your prognosis is.....?  So, I have in my head that my lungs are involved, and so isn't my intestines, my skin...because I have dermatographism, and I maybe my heart because of palpitations...so, I automatically think it's not good.  So, these are normal symptoms for many with masto then?   I so appreciate anything you have to say Smiley  

To try to answer Lisa's questions about my breathing, my breathing is a constant trouble for me.  My worst symptom by far...I wonder if it is because of mast cells in my lungs?  I can't get a good breath ever.  It's almost like I am breathing through a cloth and can't get that good breath and I just want someone to take away that cloth so I can breathe!  I can't inhale all the way or exhale all the way...like shallow breathing.  When I try to exhale everything out of my lungs, my breathing almost does sound constricted and slightly wheezy.  I'll breathe in and then breathe out and it's like I sometimes get stuck in the breathing out and I almost forget to breathe back in and I have to remind myself to breathe in.  Walking, talking too much...bothers me..I've learned to talk throught it...but it makes my breathing worse and more labored.  One of my favorite things I've had to give up is walking and I was so hoping that now my little boy is 5 and will be in kindergarten this year, that I was going to get myself out there running and in shape, but it doesn't look like that can happen unless there is something out there to help me.  Omeprezole seemed to help with my breathing, I don't know why, but I had to get off of it because the omeprezole (prilosec) seemed to be the culprit of all the spine and back pains and joint pains I was getting.  These pains got so much better when I got off of the omeprezole.   It didn't help my breathing out completely, because I still had bad days, but it seemed to help out some.  But, then again, I have had days without the omeprezole that aren't terribly bad either, so, I guess I can't find a rhyme or reason for it.  I so wish there were patterns to all this.  I'm not very good at describing things...I apologize!!

Do you know if Asprin is a normal recommendation for mast cell patients?

Thank you so much to all of you!!
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Reply #6 - 04/29/13 at 06:24:45
 
VTMom -

Aspirin is something that has been shown to reduce prostaglandins, so it is recommended, HOWEVER, mast cell patients often find that aspirin is a trigger for them, so I would be careful with it, starting at a very low dose and tapering up very slowly.  I tried it and was fine with a lower dosage of first one baby aspirin, and then two, but when I got it up to 5 my already annoying breathing problems got worse.  

Previously I just got out of breath really easily and sometimes felt that I couldn't get a full breath.  It seems that the aspirin exacerbated this and now, even though I've been off of the aspirin for weeks, I'm still having difficulties.  Where I used to have issues with fragrances and strong odors, finding them irritating and causing nausea, I now find my airways starting to close up around them.  I can often hear a wheeze in my throat.

I went to my GP and she did a breathing test to make sure my lungs were still okay, agreed she could hear the wheeze in my throat, and prescribed a steroid inhaler (Alvesco).  I've since had to increase the dosage on the inhaler, but I'm finally starting to be able to breath better.  In fact, I think I'm breathing better than I did before I tried the aspirin.

Treating mast cell disease is very much an exercise in trial and error because each person reacts differently to each possible trigger and each medication.  You do have to try things.  If they make you worse, stop and move on to the next one (there are lots to try).  It sounds like you haven't really tried much in the way of H1 or H2 antihistamines, and those are the first things to try to get all of your general reactivity down, along with dietary changes (avoiding triggers - for many people this involves a low histamine diet).  I used to be unable to take a hot shower or go out in heat because I would itch so badly I wanted to rip my skin off.  It wasn't until I got up to three Allegra and six Zantac a day that I found enough relief to be able to take a hot shower!   I would recommend trying Allegra rather than Zyrtek (which makes me groggy), as from what I've read, it seems that people on here have better results with fewer side effects with Allegra. (You can buy it cheaper at Sam's or Costco, as it is expensive.  Be careful trying generics, as may of us react to FDC dyes, and the name brand uses iron oxides for coloring instead.)

I'm still working on getting my GI issues under control, and I was initially diagnosed a year and a half ago (I've been disabled for 8 years and had related health issues most of my life).  I'm not saying this to discourage you, but to tell you that you will need to be patient.  There is hope (hey, I'm thrilled I can take a hot shower!), but expect some set backs too, since there is no set treatment that works for everyone.

You are lucky to get an appointment with Dr. Castells and I doubt any other specialist could get you in any sooner, so I would just work with your doctor to control your symptoms as best as possible until you see her.
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Reply #7 - 04/29/13 at 12:50:48
 
Thank you KatfromMD....I really appreciate all of your advice.  I am so glad that you are beginning to breathe a little better now.  I wonder what causes these kind of breathing problems.  I will have to continue to try different meds like you said.  I am very leary about trying the aspirin though as I've read elsewhere that it can be a trigger as well and I'm not sure how to tell my doctor that.  

Do you find that the inhalers upset your GI symptoms?  

I am thinking about trying a lose dose steriod inhaler that I have because I can't handle the higher dose at all and see if that helps.  For me, though, I notice that the inhalers can cause havoc with the GI symptoms.  

Hopefully we will all be able to find the right meds and the right help to get some relief.

I'm so glad to have come across this forum and to have all of you wonderful people to give advice.

I so appreciate your response, thank you so much!!
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Reply #8 - 04/30/13 at 05:51:00
 
I haven't noticed any GI issues with the inhaler, but then from what I read, Alvesco in particular is fairly inert other than in the lungs.  I would talk with your doctor about any med change, though, before just trying things.  

The breathing problems are mast cells once again going a little nuts.  Mast cells are basically part of your immune system and they are most prevalent in places where your body interacts with the outside world and needs to defend itself...the lungs being one such place, since you're constantly breathing who knows what into your body via your airways.  In the same way we react to foods and other things that we aren't actually allergic to, we can also have respiratory reactions to triggers that we don't have a true allergy to.  It's all just those overly sensitive mast cells at work.

Also, you might want to try being more assertive with your doctor, because often you will know more from reading things like this forum than the average doctor will have time to learn.  You can simply tell your doctor that you've been reading up on this (mention your sources) and that you're concerned because so many people are sensitive to aspirin.  Of course, Dr. Afrin was adamant that I try it, even knowing that it is often a problem for people, so I tried it.  The thing is, if you get really stressed over it, you might react simply BECAUSE you're stressed over it, so it needs to be your decision.
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