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01/08/13 at 13:17:22
 
I have recently been diagnosed with mast cell activation syndrome by Dr Afrin in SC after suffering for 10 years with a "fibromyagia" diagnosis for lack of a better explanation. I am just grappling with H1 and H2 blockers and trying to find some symptomatic relief. My 8 yr old daughter has begun experiencing lots of mast cell degranulation symptoms and I am overwhelmed and unsure of what to do next. My emotions and anxiety are all over the map and I feel barely able to handle my own symptoms on a daily basis never mind grappling with her confusion and pain. I've been forced to start her on H1 and H2 blockers as her flushing, stomach pain and headaches have gotten debilitating but am concerned that she is not showing very much relief. I had quite a bit of immediate relief when I started the Zantac and Zyrtec combo. Does anyone know if it usually takes a while to kick in? Excuse me if I'm not observing the correct etiquette but I'm almost unable to keep a straight thought in my head. Any experience with children and mast cell issues would be greatly appreciated.
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Reply #1 - 01/09/13 at 03:08:09
 
Have you talked with Dr. Afrin about your daughter? I don't know if he helps with children or not, but I do know that Dr. Castells (in Boston) does. She also does phone consults with patients whom she thinks have a mast cell disorder. Perhaps you could hook up with her and go from there?

Parents of mast cell kids: do you have any suggestions? What did you do to get started in the right direction for your child?
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Reply #2 - 01/09/13 at 06:16:08
 
Hi Meem!!   Welcome to our home.  I hope we can help you.  

We have several moms here with kids who have MCAS, I am one of them.   I understand your concerns and I think that they are TOTALLY VALID!!  

Itīs wonderful that Dr. Afrin has been able to find you a diagnosis, heīs a lovely man and has been able to help a number of our members here.  

As to your daughter, he can not help you except by trying to evaluate your daughter a bit and then recommending your daughter to Dr. Castells.   MCAS is not yet being recognized in children since the VAST majority of them are UP children.   Mastocytosis shows itself 90% in children, not adults.  So that means that only 10% of all mastocytosis patients are adults.  Of those adults, 90% are showing skin lesions so only 10% of the 10% are systemic mastocytosis.   However, taking all of that information into account, MCAS is as yet unstudied and they have no idea as to the percentage of patients who are showing it.   So, when a DR. looks at a child and doesnīt see any spots, he automatically in his mind rules out mastocytosis since so very, very, very few are systemic mastocytosis patients.  

However, what you are showing is MCAS and since the researchers havenīt even the slightest clue as to how many children may have this, there is NOBODY you can really run to EXCEPT DR. CASTELLS!!   Dr. Melanie Carter of the NIH is a pediatrician and works with masto children HOWEVER, the NIH is NOT STUDYING MCAS!!!!!   They donīt even want to recognize this diagnosis yet, even though Dr. Metcalfe was part of the congress which approved it!!  GO FIGURE!!

This means that you have no choice but to see if Dr. Afrin can somehow help you get Dr. Castells to see your daughter.   He is not a pediatrician and he would have to see if a pediatrician MIGHT CONSIDER taking your child, but even then, how much leaway would that pediatrician give??   I've spoken with him about another pediatric case and the impression I got was that it was far better for the mother to take her child up to Boston than down to him where he has not the kind of influence he would like to have where he heading up a clinic dedicated to masto, which is what Dr. Castells has.  


So, please contact Dr. Afrin and speak with him about your concerns and your desire to go to Boston.  Tell him that I told you to do this asking that he would do what he could to speak with Dr. Castells if he felt that there was enough reason to suspect MCAS in your daughter's case.


If you need help, just let me know.


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Reply #3 - 01/09/13 at 11:39:28
 
I'm not sure I have a lot to add but as a parent of a child with MCAS I just wanted to say that you are not alone, you are in great hands with Dr Afrin and with the support and information you can find here. There are plenty of challenges in dealing with this, but you are already on the right track. So try not to be too overwhelmed and panicked by it, just do what you can to learn more about your own condition, use what you are learning to try to figure out where to go with your daughter, and find the medical care you need to establish what needs to be done for her.

On one hand you have an advantage in understanding her symptoms and needs more quickly than many of us, because you already know about MCAS and have access to information that it took me years to discover. On the other hand it is important to have your daughter seen by a doctor who can address her needs and consider the range of possible causes for her symptoms. Her symptoms may look a lot like yours, and may be following a similar pattern, which you will naturally see while your own situation is prominent in your mind, but her own case needs to be reviewed thoroughly and independently by a paediatric specialist. Hopefully Dr Afrin can point you in the right direction. I think I recall someone previously mentioning here that he offered to refer on and then consult with the paediatric team at his hospital.

There is a category for parents on the forum, you might like to post your daughters story there for specific questions and discussion. I have received such great support and encouragement here, I hope that will also be your experience.  Hang in there, it is never easy seeing our kids in pain and having their childhood years impacted by something like this, but you will find the resources  you need to help her through this, and you will have the understanding of others who know what you are going through.

As for practical things that helped my son, he responded well to ketitofen, antihistamines, and a short course of steroids for immediate relief for acute flares. In time I discovered the low histamine diet and that has made a big difference too. Keeping a detailed diary of food and symptoms is also a good idea, including as much extra information like activities and exposure to other things that could be triggers. It is hard to remember everything, and the more you learn about potential triggers the more detail you can include, but anything you can record will help.

Some of the most encouraging advice I have been given is that you know your child better than anyone else, trust your instincts in spite of any discouragement from people who doubt or discredit your concerns, and keep on advocating for her until you find the answers you need. It may not happen as quickly as you would hope, but you will get there. Please feel free to ask for the help you need here, or send a pm if you prefer, be it information and explanations or the encouragement and moral support when you are discouraged or overwhelmed by it all.

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Reply #4 - 01/16/13 at 12:56:05
 
Thank you so much Lisa and Ruth for replying to my post! I am so grateful to be able to report that Delilah is responding to the Zantac and Zyrtec now. It started to turn around day 7 or so. I am able to breathe again as she is not in immediate pain which acts as a crazy-making, panic-inducing black-out for me. It's insane how stress related my breakthrough symptoms are. Sometimes I think if I lived in a fur lined box I would be entirely free of symptoms.
 You all had such great advice. Especially, the reminder to trust my instincts. It is so strange living with a disease that people don't really know how to process. Having "fibro" for so many years taught me to cope with the blank stares and the vague looks of disbelief - even from medical professionals. To have the stigma of "neurotic middle -class white woman who is making up symptoms for attention" really toughened my skin. I am a super-emoter so for me having tough skin means I only cry at EVERY OTHER utube video of mountain gorillas grooming each other or dolphins playing with kittens.
 Anyway, I see Dr Afrin again on the 28th of this month so I will ask him in person. He did not respond to 2 separate emails sent through MUSC which makes me feel a bit shaky about him. I will try to get some more symptomatic relief for myself as well. My stomach is going nuts again all the time. I feel a bit overwhelmed as i only get to try one thing every 2 months. I tried klonopin this time as I know it helps as it was the only thing that ever really helped before the h1 and h2 combo. If You could only try one thing from all you've heard and your own experience - what would it be? Thanks again so much to all of you for reaching out. I am so grateful.
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Reply #5 - 01/16/13 at 14:31:51
 
Have you and your daughter been checked for parasites? I wonder because both of you started having symptoms around the same time.   Parasites can and do set off people's mast cells.  My daughter and I had strongyloides stercoralis, and it caused both of us to have major GI mast cell problems and other symptoms, too.  Parasites are endemic to some areas of the U.S., or they can be picked up in other countries.  We think we got it in Mexico.  We only found out because her symptoms were so strange that she went to Mayo and was tested.  Once she found out she had it, we were tested, too.  3 out of the 4 of us had it!  Treatment was simply antibiotics.

Just a thought....      Also, have you been to MastoKids.org?   There might be some good info there.  Hope you both feel better soon!
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Reply #6 - 01/17/13 at 03:37:57
 
Thanks Joan! I have been tested for parasites at least 8 times over the past 10 years because the gastrointestinal symptoms I experience are pain and a lot of movement and gurgling. I took to saying that "Terrence" was mad (as in Terrence the tapeworm) every time my stomach went nuts - which essentially ended up being every time I ate ANYTHING. There were so many constant sounds coming from my stomach that at night in bed my husband would say out of the blue when we were trying to fall asleep "Tell Terrence to shut up!".
 However, every test was negative. This last summer I took matters into my own hands and took a really strong dose of dewormer. My hair started coming out in handfuls after the second week but I persisted in the month long treatment to no avail whatsoever. No change in symptoms at all - maybe just a little worse from the stress of losing hair.
 However, as soon as I started H1 and H2 it was like a miracle and I could finally eat again so i am pretty darn sure it's exclusively MCAS related. Delilah is showing 75 to 80% improvement in her stomach stuff with the combo as well. She is also showing marked decrease in frequency of flushes. I don't think flushing is a parasite related symptom.
 I am always really grateful for people's ideas and input though. It is SO helpful to hear other's experience with this. I will check the website you mentioned. I'm glad you found out about your parasites - I know it can be a long road where they are concerned. Did treating them get rid of all your symptoms?
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Reply #7 - 01/17/13 at 08:16:07
 
Glad you are finding some relief for you and your daughter. I think you probably need to defer to Dr Afrins advice regarding what to try next. He knows your particular story, and he is well versed in this condition. For my son I would say probably Zaditen has been most effective, but he has only just started on Singulair so I don't yet know if this will prove to be helpful. In addition, the low histamine diet has made a difference, and avoidance of environmental triggers, including personal care products like toothpaste, soaps, shampoos etc. Those are changes you make any time.
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Reply #8 - 01/17/13 at 20:26:02
 
You're right that flushing isn't directly a parasite symptom.  What can happen is that a parasite can trigger mast cell degranulation which causes flushing in some people. I took Ivermectin.  It took a long time, but it's somewhat better.  This is probably because I have SM, so my mast cells don't die as they should.  They seem to hang around and cause trouble for a long, long time.  Meds control the symptoms, and I've been able to decrease my dose of meds.  I think probiotics and Gastrocrom are helpful, too.  

Glad you both are doing better.
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