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Being tested for POTS...anyone else have this?
08/15/12 at 06:11:18
 
So my PCP thinks that I have POTS and she's sending me to a cardiologist to have a test done. Has anyone else had this test done? What is it like? I don't know anything about POTS. She thinks I have it because I faint a lot, am constantly dizzy and nauseas, especially when standing or sitting up, faint in a hot shower or with heat at all, get flush all the time, have stomach pain. Does this sound like POTS?
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Reply #1 - 08/15/12 at 07:09:03
 
I have POTS. It sounds like you are having some symptoms. The test isn't too bad. They will do a tilt table, where you are raised up to almost standing and they will monitor your heart rate and blood pressure during the time that you are up. Some tests are 10 minutes, some longer, some shorter if you pass out....

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Reply #2 - 08/15/12 at 07:21:34
 
So I am curious...what is POTS? Those who are in anaphylaxis will pass out from triggers such as you mentioned as well, although it is accompanied by other anaphylactic symptoms as well (not just losing consciousness) that generally require emergency care.
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Reply #3 - 08/15/12 at 08:10:34
 
POTS- Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome. Basically it's a description of what happens with postural changes in an affected person. To have POTS you have to show a blood pressure change, typically drops but not necessarily, and a heart rate that increases over 30pts, upon standing, or sitting to standing, etc.

There are lots of things that seem similar to me. I just know that with my POTS, what I am going through right now feels very different, and it feels in addition to.

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Reply #4 - 08/15/12 at 10:22:49
 
I started with anaphylaxis then had POTS flares on high dose steroids which became constant orthostatic tachycardia and hypotension.

This has improved with time for me be it time, mast cell meds, more exercise, trigger reduction. Keys when I was bad were to eat small meals, drink tons of water and stay on my feet even though my body didn't want to.

They are recognizing a type of POTS that they think is caused by mast cell degranulation hopefully the doc you see is familiar with this. First line treatment is usually same as mast cell treatment some require a few extra meds...

I never had a formal TTT but there is a "poor man's tilt" you can do at home. Let us know how it goes.
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Reply #5 - 08/15/12 at 13:12:57
 
POTS is often a symptom of a MC disorder.   In fact there is an article connecting the hypertensive POTs directly to MC activation.   This is why many of us with masto find our POTs resolved upon finding stabilization of our masto.  

You need to chase the masto doctors, not the POTs doctors.  Masto is likely the underlying cause to your POTs.   But since masto is known to cause syncope, which is not POTs, then you need to run after masto first since syncope is more serious than just POTs.  Both can be debilitating.    

Think BIG PICTURE, donīt go off chasing after the little stuff.  It will take FOREVER to finally pin down the cause of all that little stuff!!  And again, upon dealing with the big picture, much of the little stuff magically comes under control!


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Reply #6 - 08/15/12 at 15:32:06
 
EXCELLENT ADVICE, Lisa!!
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Reply #7 - 08/15/12 at 16:13:49
 
Lisa is right.  My daughter has been diagnosed with POTS and we thought that was the end of the diagnosis and the doctors told her she would get better with time.  However, she kept getting worse and none of the doctors ever mentioned MCAS.  When I finally mentioned it to the POTS "expert" he said it "could be" a mast cell disorder.  Unfortunately a lot of the symptoms that my daughter had at first are similar to both POTS and MCAS.  It was just within the past 4 months that the MCAS symptoms have become clearer and clearer (hives, etc. that are not symptoms of POTS).  

Don't stress about the tilt table test.  Its a pretty easy test and that is how they make an official POTS diagnosis.

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Reply #8 - 08/15/12 at 17:19:45
 
Hi Crystal.,,, I have Hyperadenergic POTS, the type of POTS associated with Mast Cell Disease. Just as other diseases/disorders have different types, so does POTS. Those of us with Hyperadenergic POTS (H.POTS) may or may not be hypertensive. There is a paper about the connection between H. POTS and Mast Cells: http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/45/3/385.full

Typically, symptoms of this type of POTS can be seen in childhood, although symptoms may be so mild they are overlooked. Pre-syncopal episodes are very common, but only about 1/3 of ppl actually pass out. Unfortunately, I have been one of the 1/3. Not a pleasant experience.

Personally, I would not neglect either area... POTS or Mast Cells.. since the science is so young in Mast Cells. For example, one thing that helps define H. POTS is high Nor-epinephrine levels. Since Neuropetide Y (a Mast Cell degrangulator) is co-released with Nor-epinephrine, reducing the Nor-epinephrine levels can help with Mast Cell degranulation.

Just another opinion.

Take care, Gail

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Reply #9 - 08/15/12 at 17:36:23
 
Deborah... It seems those of us with POTS don't usually have the breathing issues that many have, and so 'anaphylaxis' for us is not typical (and overlooked). It seems we are inclined to have cardio-vascular issues instead.

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Reply #10 - 08/17/12 at 01:57:02
 
Wow thank you all very much for all of the information, this has been so helpful. I guess the difference I am seeing between what my "normal" mast cell disease symptoms and my possibly POTS symptoms are that pretty much everytime I sit up or stand up I feel like I am going to faint or I do faint. I am constantly lightheaded and dizzy and nauseas. But this could also be from all of the meds I am on. I will let everyone know how it goes. I have a consult with a Cardiologist on September 18th and then he will decide if he wants to do the TTT or not. Thank you Lisa for the advice, I am definitely not going to neglect Mast Cell disease either. It makes since that they are related as I never had these symptoms until I started with my symptoms for my mast cell disease. My PCP is finally referring me to Dr. Castells and Dr. Greenberger at Brigham and Women's!!!!! I am so relieved, now just waiting for appointments to be scheduled. Hopefully Dr. Castells will have more insight into the possible POTS as well. Thank you Gail for the article, I will read over that. I am hoping this Cardiologist has some mast cell knowledge, but from my experience I can never assume anything like that. Maybe I will print this article out and bring it to my appt. Some doctors like this, some have too much of an ego to like it. I will let everyone know how it goes. Thank you Pam for reassuring me about the TTT, it sounds like they have to inject you with a stimulant and I am petrified to have any medicine injected for testing since I have had so many severe allergic reactions to Contrast dye.
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Reply #11 - 08/17/12 at 04:38:24
 
Gail, I am so glad that you mentioned breathing issues going along with anaphylaxis. This is actually an error that many make in assuming that...even ER docs assume that if there are no breathing issues, then there is no anaphylaxis.

We mast cell disease people can go into anaphylaxis and have NO breathing difficulties or tightness of throat and chest at all! That is the reason that I stumped so many ER docs for years. I was always in fullblown anaphylaxis, but never had any breathing issues. So, this is something that everyone here needs to be aware of.

Crystal, when you mention being dizzy, lightheaded, nauseous, and feeling faint whenever you stand up -- that is exactly how my symptoms were when I first got ill. I was in that state for 4 weeks straight because my mast cells were simply going crazy and wouldn't calm down. Without any meds (since I was undiagnosed), I couldn't get those pesky mast cells to simmer down. I absolutely do not have POTS, yet I had your symptoms. Therefore, I definitely agree with Lisa that mast cells could be your underlying problem.
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Reply #12 - 08/17/12 at 05:14:52
 
I have to jump in here.  I've had the type anaphylaxis you are describing.  I've been to the ER 3 times for it and they said you are breathing fine.  Last year I was sick and took Amoxicillan Clauvenate (antibiotic) and the next day went back to the doc and said I can't breathe from this med.  He said you don't look like someone who can't breathe.  Also last year I went to ER for headache for 3 days and got Benadryl drip and starting not being able to breathe.  I ripped IV out of my arm because no one took me seriously.  Holy crow this infuriates me now knowing this was indeed anaphylaxis.

How's about we start a class action suit against the medical community for lack of care!  Yeah!

I believe I have POTS and went to cardiologist for a work up thinking he would diagnose POTS.   After he said oh your heart looks fine.  I asked if I had POTS and he said oh I don't check for that.  So be sure they are testing for POTS and not just a cardio work up.  I have Mitral Valve Prolapse and there is a MITRAL VALVE PROLAPSE Syndrome that is Dysautonomia!  I bought 2 books on it from AMAZON.  I am tired beyond belief.  Antihistamines make me worse.  I'm not taking any antihistamines right now.  Just Zantac and ketotofen eye drops.

I also have autoimmune chronic urticaria.  

I'm dizzy often and have tinnitus.  Symptoms are so random.  Always moving.  Always something.

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Reply #13 - 08/17/12 at 05:50:27
 
Deborah and Lisa I see what you both are saying. It might be my mast cell's going crazy and I am hoping this cardiologist can rule POTS out or give me the diagnosis, either way I am still pursuing the mast cell specialists who I am hoping can help. I have been on several antihistamines, steroids, gastrocrom and other meds for a few months now and still have these awful symptoms that might be POTS or might just be my mast cells. The florinef that is supposed to be keeping water and salt in my body is not working at all which I have been on for months as well. Whatever this faint, dizziness, nausea thing is, it is definitely debilitating. Like the anaphylaxis and joint pain arent enough to deal with. What finally helped these symptoms for everyone? Was it the mast cell meds or another med?

PJ I will make sure the cardiologist is testing for POTS, thank you for that advice.

I am glad you mentioned the lack of breathing issues as well and how the ER says its not anaphylaxis. Although my lungs usually swell when I have the anaphylactic attacks, my tongue takes a while to swell or sometimes doesnt swell at all so when the ambulance gets here and "my breathing sounds fine" I end up in the ER trauma unit 30 mins later because my lungs and sometimes tongue have swollen so bad. I wish we could educate these ER docs and EMT's!!
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Reply #14 - 08/17/12 at 07:25:41
 
Crystal, you are welcome. I hope the paper helps, and you will find some relief soon.

Deborah, it's all good. I have worked hard to understand the difference between these two disorders...H POTS and MCD ...since I have both. The one thing MCD cannot seem to explain, at this point at least, is the high Nor-epinephrine (NE). And it may be that the high NE is the reason some of us don't have the typical anaphylaxis since one function of NE is to help keep the airway open (relax smooth muscles in the airway).

PJP, if it is any help...I was initially diagnosed with MVP with Dysautonomia. This type of Dysautonomia is now typically H POTS.

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