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09/02/11 at 21:29:07
 
Had anaphylaxis 12 weeks ago (tongue swelling, rash, short of breath) to x-ray dye, biphasic then protracted. On 5 antihistamines, 2 mast cell stabilizers and steroids still with some symptoms.Dont know if this is IA or MCAD. ALso now having trouble getting off steroids--?Adrenal insufficiency? Recently switched from prednisone to hydrocortisone. So afraid, don't know what's going to happen. Has anyone experienced this? Miss my old normal life.
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Reply #1 - 09/03/11 at 17:39:39
 
Yes, I've reacted in a similar manner to certain things, like CT contrast.  Of course you miss you're normal life!  It's hard to go on when you know something's not right, and it can be frightening, too.

There are a few questions to answer before anyone can give you any real advice, such as what tests have been done on you?  What meds and dosages are you taking at which times of day?

Regardless of whether it's IA or MCAD, your mast cells are all fired up and over-reacting.  Until they calm down and stop degranulating, you're going to continue to have these symptoms.  I suspect you're still under-medicated, even though it seems like you're taking a lot of everything.  I like gastrocrom a lot.  Anyway, if you post the information, someone will review your meds and let you know what he/she thinks.

If you're not taking probiotics, it might be a good idea to consider them.  They do help to normalize the immune system.
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Reply #2 - 09/03/11 at 21:10:25
 
Lisa,

Thank you so much for replying. Did your reaction go on this long? How long did it last? How long did you need steroids?

I live in an area in Canada where no one has ever seen a reaction like this and they kept expecting it to stop or thinking it was in my head. It was a combination of my own research and cries for help via email with a good family doctor that got me on the meds I'm on. I just have no idea what to expect from here on in. I was told the IgE tests could give a false negative while I'm on steroids. As far as I know there's no IgE test for Iodine, but I will have the shellfish done. My tests have been otherwise negative. (Tryptase, urine histamine etc though done long after the reaction). I just feel like no one understands and even my family is starting to think I'm crazy.  I hope the symptoms will stop someday. I'm still getting chest tightness, occasional rash and GI upset. And, now they think  my adrenal glands might've failed because I didn't tolerate the last steroid taper, so I'm getting scary symptoms from that too. I haven't had the carcinoid work-up as I was essentially asymptomatic prior to this, but maybe I should have it done.
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Reply #3 - 09/03/11 at 21:14:09
 
Oh sorry, I'm on ranitidine 150 mg PO BID, reactine 10 mg BID, ketotifen 2 mg BID, Cromolyn 200 mg QID, Hydrocortisone 20 mg AM 10 mg afternoon, singulair 10 mg OD, pulmicort,
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Reply #4 - 09/06/11 at 18:14:29
 
It's important to rule out several disorders/diseases with similar symptoms, such as carcinoid syndrome and pheochromocytoma.  Once those are ruled out, I would recommend you find a mast cell disorder specialist and make an appointment.  You can check under the doctors topic and see if there's anyone near you in Canada, but you may need to travel quite a distance to find someone knowledgeable.  It'll be worth it!

I think you might be under-medicated if you're still having so many break-through symptoms.  If you can get Allegra (fexofenadine), you could try that.  Most MC patients take 180 mg. once or twice a day.  Some alternate Zyrtec/Reactine (same thing) with the Allegra.  I take Allegra in the a.m. and Zyrtec at night.  Also, 30 mg. of a steroid/day would be an odd dose in the U.S.  If the symptoms are extremely bad, we would be started on 60 mg. and then taper down over a longer time, such as 60-60-40-40-30-30-20-20-10-10-5-5-off.  50 might be put in between 60 or 40 if the doctor wanted a longer taper.

A very important thing to do is to look up the low histamine diet (at the ICUS website) online, and stick to it religiously.  Foods can be a really serious problem.  Some are high in histamine or can cause direct mast cell degranulation, such as tomatoes, eggplant, fin fish, spinach, pumpkin, pineapple, and many more.

The ICUS list tells you exactly what foods you can eat and what to avoid.  Leftovers are a serious problem, especially meats, as the bacteria in them produce histamine in a very short time.  If you freeze leftovers immediately in portions, you can thaw them out whenever you want them.  Stay on the diet for at least a month and then you can try to add back one food every few days to see what does and doesn't cause you to react.
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Reply #5 - 09/06/11 at 21:25:50
 
Thanks! I did start at 60 mg prednisone as a tapering dose after being in hospital for 2 weeks. I failed the first taper, pulsed again, got down to 5 mg but couldn't go lower due to? adrenal insufficiency. So I've recently switched to hydrocortisone hence the strange number.  I did try the low histamine diet for 2 weeks and nothing seemed to change. Has anyone ever had a reaction go on this long? Im at 13 weeks since the anaphylaxis.
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Reply #6 - 09/06/11 at 21:27:23
 
Joan, I just realized that I called you Lisa, sorry! How long did your reactions last?
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Reply #7 - 09/07/11 at 14:22:28
 
Each reaction lasts/lasted about 20-30 minutes, except one time when it was 2 hours, and I needed epi and steroids.  Of course, I take H1 and H2 antihistamines immediately when I feel it coming on.

When a person takes steroids, the adrenal gland shrinks down to about the size of a pea.  It takes a while to rebound.  It could be you need a slower taper.  Or, you need more antihistamines.  You are not on a maximum dose of several of your meds.
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Reply #8 - 09/07/11 at 21:28:42
 
Yes I am currently trying a slower taper. But still have occasional flushing, rash, chest tightness...did that ever happen to you this long after your initial reaction (12 weeks). That seems to be the part that's baffling everyone.
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Reply #9 - 09/08/11 at 10:31:16
 
I'm thinking this isn't one long reaction.  I wonder if your mast cells have become "twitchy" and may be reacting to other things in your environment, like mold or pollens or foods you're eating or stress or just because they feel like it.  Sometimes there's no way to know.

If the antihistamines and steroids aren't helping, then I would look elsewhere for a diagnosis, in addition to ruling out mast cell disease.  Have you been allergy tested?
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Reply #10 - 09/08/11 at 20:23:23
 
I was tested in the past (cats, birch tree, pollen positive) with skin prick. And had blood test and was negative to Latex and food mix but was on steroids and apparently need to repeat that test once off. Can't have any skin testing because I'm sensitized, I have dermatographism and pressure urticaria off and on throughout the day. My tryptase and urine histamine were normal a couple of weeks after the initial reaction. I just hope I can manage to get off the steroids and still manage the symptoms. The symptoms I have now are liveable. More of just a nuisance the level they're at compared to what I've been through.
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Reply #11 - 09/08/11 at 20:25:41
 
I think the meds are dampening things for sure. At least these are no where as severe as the reactions I had during the anaphylaxis.  Stress definitely makes me more flushed, itchy and skin reactive, so I'm trying to stay as calm as I can. I might be trying a small steroid taper this weekend. I'm nervous!! I find the biggest changes are in my heart rate and palpitations whenever I change the steroid dose so I'm hoping not to notice this one because it's such a scary feeling!
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Reply #12 - 09/09/11 at 18:02:55
 
You might want to tell your doctor that you'd like to taper slower.  With mast cells, sometimes you have to "come in under the radar" in order to keep them calm and quiet.  If they want you to reduce by 10, tell them you'd prefer to reduce by 5. If that doesn't work, try 2 1/2.  Hope that helps.
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Reply #13 - 09/10/11 at 10:34:08
 
Hi Anaphylaxing,

So sorry to hear what you are going through! I just wanted to say that I have experienced the long term reactions you seem to be having. I am a leaker.  My mast cells over produce all the time, but I rarely have a full blown anaphylaxis episode. When I have a bad exposure to something I react to, I will stay over stimulated for some time.

Recently I had an endoscopy, and I reacted to the tubing put down my throat. I had to increase my meds for several weeks to keep reactions like chest pain, tachycardia, and throat swelling from overwhelming me. This is even though I was pretty well stabilized when I had the endoscopy.

I had to take Zantac 300 mg 3-4 times day, Zytec 10 mg 2-3 times a day, benedryl as needed, and I also take ketotifen 2 mg 3 times a day, and Singular 10 mg once. I haven't ever taken prednisone, because I have infections that make taking it dangerous.

I agree with Joan that you need to reduce the prednisone very slowly. Right now your immune system is depending on it, and as you go down in dosage, it makes you more vulnerable. You have to give your adrenals time to kick back in.

I hope you can get to a stabilized place. Just the other day I suddenly realized that I am doing MUCH better than before I started treatment. It seems that over time your body recovers more and more, and it can be hard to notice how much you are improving.

For the stress, I recorded a bunch of calming music on my MP3 player. I played it almost constantly at the beginning. Now I am like Pavlov's dogs, the music has to just start, and I calm down. There is even good studies showing how music can stimulate healing. I would just use it to shut out all external stress, and even my own thinking.

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Reply #14 - 09/11/11 at 17:11:24
 
Susan,

Thanks so much for replying. It is nice to hear that you've been through something similar. How did it all start for you? Do you have a diagnosis? MCAD? Did you ever have any lab abnormalities?


I just hit the three month mark and I am happy that I am still alive and am starting to live a little, but am definitely not myself/can't fully function. One of the biggest issues right now is tachycardia--which I see you mentioned. When I stand up my heart rate goes to 110-120. I can get it to come down if I walk around slowly to 90s, but if it's too hot out I can't get my heart rate down and feel like I'm going to pass out. I don't know if this tachycardia is my lack of adrenal function, persistent allergy or what! But, the good thing is, since I've switched to hydrocortisone I have more energy. I started at 30 mg and yesterday dropped to 25 mg and am still doing well other than the tachycardia. The plan is to try another 5 mg in 5 days if I do well. I REALLY hope I can get off these steroids.

Susan do you have to take medication all of the time or only when you have symptoms?  I'd love to hear more about what you've gone through as no ones seems to know much about this. Did you find doctors who are knowledgable? Did you find you were really scared of everything for awhile? I'm afraid to eat things or go places in case I flare-up.

I get occasional chest tightness and itching right now but much better than it was.

Joan,

thanks for the slow taper advice. I've been okay with this 5 mg drop but if that changes I will go back up and try 2.5 the next time. I  am SO terrified the first day of my taper.

Great to hear from all of you!
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