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Gina E.
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What type of doctor/when to go?
06/23/11 at 07:36:03
 
Hello everyone - I haven't posted on the new forum yet, but I've been reading and keeping up with all of you.

How do you know what type of doctor to go to? And, if you have the same symptoms all of the time - that aren't getting better/worse - do you just chuck it up and live with it?

I've been sick all year - in the past I'd have a flair here or there, but this is just a rolling thing from day to day, week to week. It's always something.

Been to my GP for the last four doctor visits - but I only see the nurse each time. Most recently, I've been going for severe joint pain that seems to be related to exacerbated gastrointestinal issues - bloody diarrhea, swelling, vomiting, and acid reflux.  Luckily my sinus issues are under control, but the flushing occassionally flares up worst.

The nurse was going to refer me to a urologist a few months ago for the IC/bladder issues - but they didnt. (and I really didn't want to go at the time.) Last time I was in, she was going to talk to the doctor about referring me to a rheumatologist - but that was five weeks ago and the Kenalog shot is wearing off.

So, I'm home sick for a second day and wondering what doctor to call.
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Re: What type of doctor/when to go?
Reply #1 - 06/23/11 at 08:06:07
 
Gina

If you have IC, you need to be seeing a urologist (one who specializes in treating IC patients - -not all urologists are that knowledgeable about IC) ....had IC for over 10 years, been through lots of ups and downs, but have a good dr now...also if you are having bloody stools that are not going away, you need to see a GI specialist ASAP (pronto, girly!)  and they will likely give you a scope just to make sure you are ok in your GI tract.  If your general practitioner is not referring you to these drs. and getting you in, you likely need to find a new GP.  Do you have to have referrals for your insurance?  You sound like a mirror of me as far as problems go!  I see an immunologist, a urologist, a obgyn who is knowledgable about IC, a GI dr, a pain specialist...know it sounds like a lot of drs., but you have a bunch of problems going on that need attention!!!!    Good luck and get the help you need, its going to benefit you even though it is easy sometimes to just want to throw your hands up (been there too).
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Reply #2 - 06/23/11 at 08:06:21
 
Hi Gina!
Im so glad youre here Smiley

OK first you need your primary DR which you already have--so let me ask you, does he listen to you? believe you? prescribe what you ask for and need? Is he willing to work with an expert on your care? If the answer to that is yes, then you have the right primary DR.

Next and most importantly, you need to see an EXPERT in mast cell disorders. I dont know where you live so I cant refer you to a DR, so let us know. It is worth traveling for a visit to an expert. Once you do that, the expert will work with your primary DR when you have a problem, by phone and email see?

That GI DR is very is VERY important with your symptoms.

You havent mentioned if you have a diagnosis and what meds you are on. Its hard to give you suggestions without it.

Things CAN and WILL get better for you, I promise. Give us some information and lets see what we can do to help you.

We're here for you and we DO care.
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Reply #3 - 06/23/11 at 10:40:39
 
Hello -

Well, I think you're both right - I need a new GP. I actually haven't seen her in almost a year. I just see the nurse (not my choice).

So, here's the scoop - I think this was on the old forum somewhere . . .

Two GP's ago and three years ago, I was having bloody diarrhea (along with GERD, non-allergic rhinitis, hives, flushing and joint pain - the last few were nothing new).  

That old doc told me to eat yogurt.  Sigh. So, I found my current GP. She gave me a CT scan that came back almost completely normal.  She also gave me a HIDA scan (which I had 10 years earlier). So, like a decade before, she sent me to (ironically) the same surgeon to once again have my gallbladder removed. And once again based on all of my symptoms, he wouldn't do the surgery.  He referred me back to my old GI that I had 10 years ago for a colonscopy. According to him, my colon 'looked great' and he sent the sample for microscopic testing - which came back with a high count for mast cells.

He then called me two weeks later and referred me to an allergy/immunology doctor. I see him now every six months. My GI has never had me back.

The good thing about the nurse at my GP is that she does know of other people with cutaneous mastocytosis.  She's the one that prescriped Gastrocrom for me and got me an epi pen (I have really bad reactions to just mosquito bites). She also is the only one that thinks I have systemic masto but doesn't understand why I would need a bone marrow biopsy.

But, my immunology doc and my GP both say I would be a lot more sick if I had sysemic mastocytosis. The GI thought I had the systemic version - that's why he referred me.

So, I don't know what to do.  Just this year- January was three weeks of horrendous sneezing and running nose; a week of diarrhea (bloody towards the end); February was almost three weeks of urinary pain; March started off with a bad bout of acid reflux and finished with what reminds me of the ulcer I had awhile ago; April brought severe joint pain and swelling - which was ironically relieved by a bad case of vomiting and diarrhea (my bowels try to swell shut). So, the GP initially gave me a course of prednisone (I also had erythmous nodosum nodules on my legs, too), then the joint pain came right back, so she refilled my Entocort rx; that wasn't quite cutting it, so then she gave me 80 mg dose/shot of Kenalog.

As for Rx, I take gastrocrom, fexofenadine, loratidine, singulair, ranitidine and hydroxyzine.  I also take loestrine and I'm supposed to take vitamin d and iron supplements.

That's it in a very big nutshell. I just don't know what to do or who to call when I'm not feeling well.  The closest specialist would be for me to go to Mayo in MN. My health insurance recently added them as in-network. But, I would like to still have a GP that I could trust them working with.
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Reply #4 - 06/23/11 at 13:59:40
 
I see a nurse too as my primary care person. I think yours sounds pretty darn good--she has experience with it and is giving you the exact right meds for it. I think I would stick with her for primary care. Your GP would be the DR that the nurse works under.

Now for the expert--there is a Dr Butterfield at Mayo in MN, who is a masto expert. We've had some mixed reviews about him--not the best of bedside manner...but he is very active with research and just published more findings about masto recently, so he is better than just picking a DR out of a hat. Im sure other people will post to you here with some other suggestions.

Youre on a lot of the right meds--but you didnt say how much you are taking. Most of us need much higher doses than the average person who does not have masto.  You still sound under-medicated to me or your reactions would be less and possibly stop. Tell us what doses of which med you take and how often.

Make SURE you keep copies of all your lab tests--like that high mast cell count in your colon. I would bet youre having trouble with your bladder too--mast cells migrate from the colon to the bladder in some people and with a high count I would bet you are having problems with bladder spasms and getting to the bathroom in time. We can suggest some meds for that if you do have that problem.

Now about Bone Marrow Biopsy. It is important , it tells you often which type of mast cell disorder you have by what they find, it gives you an idea of the progression of your disease and it gives you a baseline for watching your progress in , say in another 5 years. I would wait for this until you see an expert. It has to be done in a very specific way and the expert should do it.

As far as your GI doc, he is no helps to you, I see.  That bloody diarrhea is a concern and your expert will handle that--it again means you are under medicated and we need to stop that type of reaction quickly.

I would guess (only) that you have a type of SM with bleeding disorder involved. A lot of us have that type, all treated the same way, same meds.

For now you need to READ a lot of info on this board--low histamine diet, emergency protocals... and start an ER notebook for yourself. Also time for you to start a daily diary of what you ate/how you feel/level of activity... this will help you track down your triggers. You have to be proactive and dont ever feel bad standing up for yourself.

We have your back and you can ask us anything Smiley
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Reply #5 - 06/24/11 at 11:38:51
 
Thanks for the help! My immunologist wants me to come in next week.  While the nurse at my GP at least understands mast cells, she has a tendency to just blame everything on them.  I suspect that happens to a lot of us?  She and the other nurses don't seem to know how to read blood work and lab tests. That's kind of a concern. I have tech reports where it says further testing should be done - and they just scroll by the notes and say everything 'looks great.'  Plus, it's been 5 weeks since they were going to refer me to a rheumatologist and 3 months since they were going to refer me to a urologist.  

In case you want to know what meds I take: 180 mg fexofenadine, ranitidine (150 3x/day), 10 mg singulair, loestrin, 100 mg gastrocrom 4x/day, veramyst, 10 mg loratidine, 25 mg hydroxyzine, 3 mg entocort 2x/day. I also take 1000 iu of vitamin d/day and I'm supposed to take iron supplements 2 x/day but I don't.  

What can someone take for pain when you can't take NSAIDS? Extra Strength Tylenol is not cutting it.

Thanks again for everything, Gina
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Reply #6 - 06/24/11 at 12:01:55
 
Hi Gina!
Actually most of us have trouble getting DRs to understand how alot of health problems relate to our mast cell problem. No not everything is masto but you would be surprised how much is! Actually that is good in a away, it means you take more antihistamines and it controls those too.

Get copies of all your lab tests and look them up online... or ask us what it means, we can help with that.

You probably wont get much help from the rheumatologist--but it cant hurt. You havent got a diagnosis yet--but that high mast cell count in your colon is very telling, so I think you will get that diagnosis soon.

Youre on the right meds but not high enough. That Zantac should be 300 mg twice a day--most of us take that amount. Loratidine should be twice a day. So should the Vistaril--and if youre having bladder problems (Interstitial Cystitis) then that Vistaril will help you A LOT! Plus its a great "rescue" med if you are having a bad reaction and it helps with brain fog too. You might ask for some Ditropan for your bladder.

I wouldnt take the iron either--the chemical name is Ferrous Sulfate and many of us react to the sulfates.. there is iron without it, out there but your DR would have to be sure to write the prescription for it that way.

As far as pain meds, we have to be extremely careful taking anything for pain--but I know how you feel. I have horrible bone pain. I take Vicodan and alternate with Tramadol--but many people cant take that. You have to work out what works best for you with your DR and just be careful ok?? I dont want to see you in pain but I dont want you to react either Smiley

OK enough for me for one sitting, LOL I have to get up and move!  Ask anything you want Gina, we're here for you!
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Reply #7 - 06/24/11 at 12:07:08
 
Ramona -  light bulb went off when you mentioned the sulfate in conjunction with the iron.  I always have problems with sulfates.  No wonder. Ok, that must have been some brain fog! I've just been trying to eat more meat - but I have always had a hard time with it.  Take care! I'm ready to put my feet up too!

Gina
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Reply #8 - 06/24/11 at 12:32:02
 
I just want to second Ramona on the tramadol suggestion.  I'm having a problem with recurring, severe abdominal pain... still trying to pinpoint the exact cause.  My GYN gave me a Rx for Lortab, but I also asked for a Rx for Ultram (tramadol), knowing that it's less likely to cause degranulation.  She said it's not as strong, but she would "much rather have me on Ultram than Lortab."  OK.  Two weeks ago I saw Dr. Greenberger at Brigham & Women's and he told me to avoid Lortab completely... he said that Tylenol and Ultram are the only safe pain medications.  If I need anything stronger than that it would have to be dilaudid (given by IV).  Just my two cents!  So far it seems to be helping to take 50mg of Ultram with 500mg of tylenol, plus a solid dose of H1/H2 (I'm using 20mg of Zyrtec plus 300mg of Zantac)... that's in addition to my usual list of medications.

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Reply #9 - 06/24/11 at 17:56:34
 
Gina,

Have you read anything about Mastocytic Enterocolitis?  It sounds like you have already been diagnosed with it, although I don't know if they called it that.  There is a regimen for clearing it up.  Here is the link to my doctor's website.  He's been pioneering treatment for this along with Dr. Miner in Oklahoma.  It's recently been added to the Rare Diseases section of the NIH website, but I suspect it isn't really very rare!

The treatment I did for ME following a parasitic infection, was:

2 vials gastrocrom, 4 times/day on an empty stomach, if possible
60 mg. allegra, 2-3 times/day (a.m. mid-day, and at night, if needed)
10 mg. cetirizine (at night)
20 mg. famotidine (at night)
Align (probiotic) once/day
Bromelain, 2000-2400 gdu before meals

I also followed a low-histamine, low-acid diet.  Dr. Lewey says that he has proven evidence of this disorder in 400 patients so far, and that he finds a nearly complete reversal of symptoms in 8-12 weeks.  Of course check with your doctor before starting anything new!
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