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Reply #225 - 07/15/11 at 17:49:59
 
Hi Kim,
That's great news about the bone marrow, we are supposed to be getting a BMB for Jarrod. Just playing the waiting game at the moment, which is driving me crazy.
Jarrod has had two skin prick tests which were very significantly different. The first one said he had a lot of positive allergies to grasses, pollens cats etc. The next one said he didn't have any. And like Brie has reacted to something that says he should't. I myself am wondering if it has anything to do with how full the histamine bucket is at the time.
Anyway hoping everything goes alright for you both, I am following your story with interest.
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Reply #226 - 07/16/11 at 08:30:42
 
Hi Judy;

Thanks for letting me know about Jarrods allergy testing.  That is interesting how he had 2 different results.  I have been wondering if I should have brie go through a complete skin prick test.  The allergy testing they did was through blood work.  I also am curious if people with MCAS can go through the allergy shots - I would think this would cause problems for them by introducing high levels of the allergens and setting off the mast cells.????  I will have to research this some more.
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Reply #227 - 07/16/11 at 09:22:45
 
I had an allergist tell me that he could not do skin prick testing on me due to my mast cell condition. Only the blood testing....
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Reply #228 - 07/16/11 at 11:09:09
 
Deb;

Thanks for the information.  That makes total sense.  I guess that is why they did Brie's by blood testing.  So I would assume a person with MCAS can't do the allergy shots either then?

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Reply #229 - 07/16/11 at 11:24:26
 
Well, I have either IA or MCAS, and there is no way anyone could drag me into a room to have allergy shots! LOL I think the phrase, "over my dead body," would become literal! Haa
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Reply #230 - 07/16/11 at 13:55:13
 
A small correction about histamine. There is only one kind of histamine. There are at least 4 kinds of histmine receptors, located in various cell types throughout the body. In the skin, for instance, flushing and hives and probably itching are caused when histamine attaches to H1 and H2 receptors. The receptor type is what dictates the response to histamine being present.
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Reply #231 - 07/16/11 at 14:34:18
 
Hi Kim,
I am just reading your daughter's post.  We too have traveled similar paths as you.  Our 11 yr. old daughter, Rylee, was just diagnosed in June 2011 with MCAD at Cincinnati Children's Hospital.  We live in North Carolina but we finally ended up with specialists in Cincinnati.  Anyway, since we have returned home to NC, Rylee's doctor in Cincinnati has ordered a Cortisol level twice.  Both times they have been low.  On Friday, they drew it again and it is 1.9.  Her doctor is out of town and we have to wait to Tues. to speak with him.  We have no idea what is going on.  As well, her liver enzymes are elevated.  Her ALP is more than twice the normal high.  She has some type of eosinophiliac disorder but they are not sure if the eosinophils are elevated due to the mast cell issue or vice versa.  Any info at all that you can pass our way would be helpful.  Over the past few weeks, we have appreciated so much the support of others on this forum.  
Until tonight though....haven't read anything from anyone else regarding low cortisol levels.  
Will put Brie on our prayer list at home.....look forward to hearing from you as you have time.  
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Reply #232 - 07/16/11 at 18:04:54
 
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About mast cells and eosinophils, each of these cell types secretes molecules that attract and activate the other, so they are very often found together. If your daughter is having symptoms that look like respose to histamine, etc, from mast cells, it could be due to some initial problem that caused elevated eosinophils, and these brought along the mast cells.

I'm glad you are having her seen at a place where they can sort out the low cortisol levels. This is not a result of any mast cell involvement, and it's well outside my area of knowledge.

Until you have answers, treating your daughter's symptoms should help her stay somewhat comfortable. Be sure that none of the medicines you give her will increase the stress on her liver. The pharmacist should be able to help you with this.
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Reply #233 - 07/16/11 at 18:32:36
 
Hi Kim,
Allergy shots were considered for Jarrod but not until his headaches and other symptoms were diagnosed , sorted out. The headaches were there because of all  the histamine. Anyway that was before we were on the masto trail, now knowing all we know I'm sure they would not help at all because of the two significant results. I don't think allergies are to blame at all. Just my thoughts anyway.
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Jarrod has had elevated liver enzymes before once, but they did resolve. ALT and AST.
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Reply #234 - 07/16/11 at 19:11:52
 
Hi Kim,
Sorry to bother you again. Can I ask how much H1 and H2 is Brie on. We don't have a specialist so we are doing all this ourselves. With Jarrod being a child it is hard to compare. Jarrod is on telfast 180 twice a day, Zantac 1 twice a day and singulair 5mg once a day. We did notice a difference when we upped the zantac from half twice a day to one twice a day. My doctor is not much help at all because he just goes by normal amounts for normal people.
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Reply #235 - 07/17/11 at 05:01:49
 
NZNancy,
Thank you so much for your response.  I will talk with the pharmacist to ensure that the medications Rylee is taking is not putting additional stress on her liver.  If you don't mind will you elaborate on your last post to me?  
I copied and pasted your comment below.  What type of initial problem could have caused elevated eosinphils that brought along the mast cells??  

"About mast cells and eosinophils, each of these cell types secretes molecules that attract and activate the other, so they are very often found together. If your daughter is having symptoms that look like respose to histamine, etc, from mast cells, it could be due to some initial problem that caused elevated eosinophils, and these brought along the mast cells."

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Reply #236 - 07/17/11 at 11:12:18
 
Judy;

It's been a busy weekend... I will respond to your posts further as soon as I can but I wanted to send you a list of Brie's current meds at this time:

Ferritin 45mg every morning
Loratadine 10mg every morning
Zantac 75mg BID
Singulair 5mg at Bedtime
Entocort EC 3mg take 1 tab twice a day
Gastrocrom 100mg QID (1/2 hour before meals and at bedtime)
Flovent 110mcg 2 puffs twice a day

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Reply #237 - 07/17/11 at 12:05:22
 
Angie, to elaborate on the eosinophil/mast cell quote -
We don't know what causes eosinophils to accumulate in people with eosinophilic esophagitis/gastritis, but we know that in those people, an increased number of mast cells will usually also be seen in the tissues. I think the most active research center is Cincinnati Childrens Hospital/Clinic, so you are headed in the right direction to get the help you need for your daughter.

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Reply #238 - 07/19/11 at 06:41:04
 
I saw a Medscape report on Eosinophilic Esophagitis and it posed a genetic mutation as the cause here.  It's probably the same issue with the eosinophilia which happens in the instestines as well.


Pathogenetic Mechanisms: More Pieces to the Puzzle

The most significant recent finding is the recent association of EoE with a common variant at 5q22 locus that encompasses TSLP.[31••,32] TSLP is overexpressed in the mucosal biopsies of patients with EoE and may offer an etiological clue to the underlying pathogenesis in some patients. TSLP is an epithelial derived IL-7-like cytokine which can activate a number of immune cells, in particular dendritic and mast cells, and is related to allergic disease such as asthma.


A number of studies have begun to describe the immunological milieu of the esophageal mucosa affected by EoE. Although eosinophils are the most prominent leukocyte associated with EoE, recent studies expanded our narrow view of the esophageal mucosal surface. Mast cells continue to be associated with inflammation in EoE. Dellon et al. [33] measured tryptase staining in 54 adults with EoE and compared them to 55 with GERD. They determined that the tryptase-positive mast cells were significantly increased in the epithelia of EoE patients compared to GERD. Abonia et al. [34] found similar results in children with EoE and reported increases in mast cell carboxypeptidase and tryptase but not chymase, findings that normalized after topical fluticasone treatment. Along these lines, Yen et al. [35] found significantly greater FceRI expression on epithelial cells in EoE children compared to those with GERD and normal controls suggesting a role in IgE-mediated activation. In a series of articles from Nadeau et al., the role of other T cells in the squamous mucosa and peripheral mononuclear cells in EoE has been examined.[36–38] Real-time analysis of peripheral mononuclear cells from 35 children with EoE was compared to eight with GERD, 10 with IBD, and eight healthy controls. EoE patients had significantly more ERK, Bcl-2, bFGF, and eotaxin compared to controls.[37] Further studies identified increased numbers of Tregs (FoxP3 expression) and HLA-DR expression in the affected EoE mucosa.[36,38] Together, these studies continue to define the microenvironment associated with EoE.

More mechanistic studies performed in murine models and ex-vivo human models are identifying key roles for epithelial derived such as IL-13 and IL-15 in initiating and perpetuating esophageal inflammation.[39–41] For instance, tissues from EoE patients were shown to demonstrate increased expression of IL-15 and IL-15r a finding that correlated with mucosal eosinophilia.[39] In a murine model of EoE, IL-15r null mice were protected from eosinophilia. Ex-vivo analysis of murine and human esophageal cells identified an increase in eotaxin-3 following IL-15 stimulation. Together, these findings support a role for IL-15 in the generation of this mucosal inflammation.

Finally, Aceves et al. [42] brought new light to not only the esophageal milieu but also more importantly to functional elements that may contribute to EoE's clinical features. They continued along the lines of their previous work that supports a role for TGF-beta in remodeling events in EoE. Results from an ex-vivo human model system support a role for mast cells and TGF-beta in esophageal smooth muscle contraction.



http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/744685_7
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Reply #239 - 07/19/11 at 12:18:08
 
THanks Lisa, that is a very interesting bit of in formation. Could you look at the article and tell us what institution the authors are at? Maybe they are part of the Cincinnatti group?

One note, these people didn't identify a mutation:
"association of EoE with a common variant at 5q22 locus"
Genes are often made slightly differently in different individuals; when a specific change in construction of a gene is found commonly, it is called a "variant". These people found more TSLP than expected in patients with EoE, which led them to look at the gene for TSLP and found that a particular construction of the gene was found often in people with EoE.

The mast cells found here will have been attracted by the eosinophils rather than being the primary cell causing inflammation.

The authors mention that IL-15 receptor is found in greater quantity than normal in people with EoE, which makes me wonder if someone might be working on a therapy to block the IL-15 receptor, which should result in decreasing the number of eosinophils (thus mast cells also) in the affected tissues.

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