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Remember: all posts are subjective
01/04/11 at 14:11:04
 
ADMINISTRATOR NOTE: Please remember that when we write information and opinons on this forum, it is purely subjective and often secondhand information. Our ability to share this info is what makes this forum special and wonderful. At the same time, though, each of us needs to decide for ourselves what we choose to believe and/or agree with. When I write that a doctor told me something, you can believe that I am relating it as I remember. Could I make a small mistake in what I relate? Sure. When we write that "research shows...," that is also coming from a secondhand source and is also subjectively relayed to us. So, please take in all of the info, but remember to use your own personal judgement with how you choose to process and accept it.

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Reply #1 - 09/21/11 at 10:53:46
 
Hi Deborah,

I'm a general dentist and have a patient with Mast Cell Disorder, a "condition" that came from her health history and in discussion by way of her visit to Mayo Clinic.  What then is MCAD?  Is my Google search result suggesting "Medium Chain acyl CoA Dehydrogenase" another subject or are these forums about  her issues?  Am I mis-understanding her concern about a reaction to all things taken orally, or simply misunderstanding the acronym MCAD as used in these forums?  She seemed overly protective, or even unsure how to express what her condition actually is so I'm simply trying to understand her better.

I'm not a frequent user of these forums so please be gentle.

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Reply #2 - 09/21/11 at 12:33:02
 
MCAD is Mast Cell Activation Disorder if you search for Mastocytosis you will find more relevant information.  MCAD puts one at risk for mast cell degranulation triggered by possibly unknown and sometimes unusual influences including stress.  These patients require pre-medication and planning for all procedures. The protocol typically includes avoiding the use of specific medications, monitoring for  warning signs, and methods for managing reactions.  
This person has every reason to be concerned and I would recommend that you gain permission from the patient to contact the doctor that is treating him/her for MCAD and obtain a protocol for treatment.  Improper management can lead to very serious consequences.  Although I wonder why this would not be part of your standard protocol where someone has a more complicated history, I do want to commend you for taking the time to understand your patients concern.
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Reply #3 - 09/21/11 at 15:15:54
 
Hi Furstm,

How wonderful to have a concerned health provider coming here in search for more information as to how to deal with their patient!!  You are to be heartily commended!!  I wish MORE doctors and health providers would be so considerate!!!

Your patient has every reason to be very concerned and anxious as to his/her care.  MCAD or Mast Cell Activation Disorder is a recent diagnosis of another form of Mast Cell Disease which to this diagnosis also belongs Systemic Mastocytosis.  Although science has progressed as to gaining understanding to Mast Cell Disorders, they are still unsure as to whether MCAD is a problem of the proliferation of mast cells or that of an activation of mast cells. Regardless of which it is, the end result is still the same - we are hyper-reactive patients.   In other words, you are not going to get a patient who is MORE "ALLERGIC"  than a masto patient!  

Our doctors are required to treat us with kid gloves!  Some of us are HIGHLY reactive to medications, latex, foods and medical procedures.  Some of us are less reactive.  Each of us have very individualistic presentations of this disease.  There is not a single one of us alike.  So, although some masto patients can face dental procedures without a single issue, some others of us must do our dental procedures in the operating room with an anesthesiologist on standby.   I am one of these.   Although I have not had any recent dental work, when I needed to have a tooth removed 3 years ago, it was in the OR and I was given sedation to help deal with the anxiety as well as to keep the Mast cells quiet.  Yet I have a history of severe reactions and will react to any kind of invasive procedure and contrasts.   We masto patients are capable of what is called Stress Anaphylaxis - it's a form of anaphylaxis which has been striggered by the stress system and as you know, dental procedures create a lot of anxiety with many people.  This anxiety is probably more reactive than the anesthesia you use.

We have on here specially designed protocols for masto patients.  Here is the location:  http://mastcelldisorders.wallack.us/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1293571751

I also have the email address of a Dentist in Portugual who not only has mastocytosis, however he also has written his thesis on dental procedures on masto patients and their oral issues.  If you send me  PM, I'll be more than happy to get you in touch with this dentist so that he can help you gain more understanding as to how to work with masto patients and what our particular needs are.

I hope this helps!

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Reply #4 - 09/21/11 at 16:21:14
 
  It's refreshing to find a doctor/dentist who takes a patient seriously, even though she may seem "over-protective" of herself.  Her mast cells are "twitchy" if she has MCAD, and they degranulate in response to stimuli that might not affect a person with normal mast cells.  Degranulations can vary in symptoms, but can include anaphylaxis and other serious reactions.  She has undoubtedly experienced  frightening symptoms and wishes not to experience them again!  I would hope she's on daily preventive medications (H1 and H2 blockers and possibly other meds such as Gastrocrom, Singulair, etc.).

  If she's been recently diagnosed, she might not have tried the premedication protocols.  Even though I've had many mast cell degranulations and have used the protocols successfully, there's still added stress when new medicines or even mildly scary procedures are necessary.

  Another consideration is local anesthesia.  There is information on this forum and on tmsforacure.org regarding which local anesthetics are safer for mast cell disorder patients.  Sometimes there can be problems with preservatives.

  My doctor told me there was no reason to avoid or postpone needed procedures, medical or dental, due to a mast cell disorder, as long as precautions are taken and pre-medications are administered correctly.

  Great idea to talk with your patient's doctor before proceeding!

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Reply #5 - 09/21/11 at 17:30:28
 
You have actually gotten some wonderful responses here that seem to answer your question. Some of us MCAD people will go into anaphylactic shock. My dentist is very wary about doing anything and always asks and defers to my opinion if something is safe because he knows that I will have checked it out with my specialist if I don't know the answer. Anything can send a MCAD patient into anaphylaxis, which can be fatal. For example, I would love to whiten my teeth, but since I do go into anaphylaxis from things, am too nervous about trying it. Just because someone else on this forum may have no problem with teeth whitening, it could put me into shock. That is the hard part of this disease -- no one rule holds for everyone.
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